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I will chime in as I have had a tuned 335i and now on M3: I had a 335i w/ KWV2 coilovers + RE-01R tires and now have an M3 w/ stock PS2 There are 3 main things to consider, here are my opinions on them... 1. Poise and stability: KWV2 by a small margin over the stock M3 with regards to rear-end poise and the ability to stabilize after being disturbed. 2. Handling limits: M3 hands down, I can hold more speed in a given corner/sweeper in the stock M3 over the 335i w/ coilovers and stickier tires. I attribute that to the LSD in the M3 and the different suspension geometry. 3. Understeer/Oversteer: 335i needs sway bars for neutral handling at the limits, and to where the M3 stock is VERY close to neutral. You put the same coilovers and stickier tires on the M3 and you are now quite (and I mean QUITE) a bit ahead of the 335i in terms of overall handling. As far as TQ, I am split on this one. On one hand I really miss the low-end TQ of the 335i especially w/ the TT I had in it, BUT it died out at about 6K. On the other hand, I do love the continuous TQ all the way up to redline in the M3. Another factor is turbo lag, while minimal there is a lag in the 335i, no turbo car can replicate that instantaneous throttle response of a V8 N/A motor.
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06-23-2009, 10:12 PM | #47 |
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Torque on the 335 FI motor makes it fun for everyday driving. The high spinning V8 of the M3 makes it a better track car, but harder to get the most out of the car in daily driving.
Do you prefer a FI I6 or a NA V8? That should be the big part of your choice. It's thing you can't really change after the purchase. The blown engine will give you better mpg, if that matters to you. V8s are unique in their own right, esp the sound. |
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Added to my post, to help you out as much as possible. Good luck with you decision.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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06-24-2009, 12:23 AM | #51 | |
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No matter what you do to a 335i, you will not achieve the handling limits or feel the M3 has.
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06-24-2009, 01:38 AM | #52 |
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So what else is different? People are changing out all the arms and bushings and it's not a lot of money except for the labor on the rear bushings.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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06-24-2009, 02:19 AM | #53 |
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all i can say is i use to own a 330cizhp and a e46 m3 the difference was huge...
ive driven a e92 m3 a lot and i have a 335i... to be honest my friends 335i coupe with sways toyo t1rs and kw2's handles a lot better then the e92 m and with his jb3 downpipes dual cone intake(guess how much he paid for all of these) 800 dollars used, he pulls a car and half on the m the difference on these newer e92's are not to great... I love m's, i dont mean to start a war but its the truth.. |
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This thing is really getting out of hand. Its really not fair in comparing a modified car to a stock car. You say those $800 mods will beat an M. Ok. How about the M gets an ecu tune for itself and then lets see how it holds up. Please lets not forget the video Sticky made a while back when the guy thought his ecu tuned 335 was the fastest thing ever. If you wanna see it look here. .
Im not trying to start a war, but M3>335 ANY DAY. Its like saying c350 is better than an c63 amg. CLOSE THIS THREAD. |
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The 335 was deceivingly fast. again NO COMPARISON! M3 differnet planet |
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06-24-2009, 09:18 AM | #56 | |
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So your buddy's 335 improved by 20+ seconds just with two small mods still without a diff?? As far as I know, a fully modded Dinan stage 3 (that comes with a diff) in a track comparison could not beat or equal the M3, you are saying your buddy's 335 without a diff is faster than a stage 3 Dinan tuned 335?? |
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06-24-2009, 10:53 AM | #57 | |
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I believe M > 335 anytime but I was wondering what is the differences thats since 335 may have more potential for mods. That's why I started this thread and see how you feels about it. I didnt mean to start a war or anything. |
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You do have a very good point there. I have to admit nothing beats the sound of V8 (just like my S4 ). Turbo lag should be minimal but it is there. I didn't think of the blown engine part. But isn't the new M3 going to be I6 Turbo as well?
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As a minor observation, a 21 second lead at the Nurburgring finish line would convert to something like six tenths of a mile at an average 100 mph for those 21 seconds. |
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This seems like a silly debate. There is no doubt the 335i has great ability and potential but it isn't an M3. If you're just looking for quick DD go ahead and buy the 335i. As a performance car it is a dubious argument unless money is no object (and if money were no object you wouldn't be buying a 335i). Modifying the car voids the warranty and kills its resale value (I would never buy a modified vehicle).
Buy an M3. |
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I think you need to spend more time at e90post and get framilar with the mods to 335's. A dinan tune is considerely putting out much less power then a properly running jb3 and v3. There are tune only jb3's running 11's at very high 110 traps. As far as sticky lol, the guy never raced a properly tuned 335 up to its 100 percent capabilities. |
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06-24-2009, 11:40 AM | #62 | |
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So Nurburgring lap times don't mean anything to you because the 335 is a whopping 21 seconds slower?? I am sure it must be if the M3 was only 2 seconds quicker stock vs stock. Almost the case of envy and "grapes are sour". It is always considered the benchmark when measuring performance prowess since it is the most difficult race track in the world. Look at Porsche for 911, R35 GT-R by Nissan and other manufacturers always quoting Nurburgring laptimes to publicize and prove how good the performance is of their 911, GT-R or whatever.
Sorry, I have to call BS that based on your "butt dyno" your buddy's 335 with a couple of small mods without even a diff can outhandle a stock M3 that has a completely different suspension that shares almost nothing with the 335 and amazing diff with it that could not even be matched by a completely modded Dinan Stage 3 335 around a race track. Sorry! Quote:
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no it really doesnt, according to all the times that must be a gtr is a better car then a gt3 then right, or even a porsche turbo? So that means youll buy a gtr rather then a turbo or a gt3? Your such a joke, you wont even be able to drive anywhere in the USA at the limit of the N track, so what does it matter? If it makes you feel better then ah sure why not...Me im different i rather look at the whole package. If you are so considered about track track track, then please go ahead and buy your self a z06 and call it quits. You can call BS all you want, truth is truth. Once again i dont know why you are even talking about 21 seconds at the N. We are not comparing a stock 335 are we? You must be the king of BS, afterall your zhp is not much slower then a e46 m3 right lol. Or wait a stock 335 isnt much slower then a e92 m3 too right? LMFAO....wrong Like i said, go to e90post.com spend a little time, dinan mods are BS, if you are after performance. Im heavily involved in the 335 scene, and own a modded 335, and ive owned a very modded zhp(want some piks? ill show you). Or search bmw3series on e46 fanatics...youll see my m3 there also.. I guess what im trying to say is OBVIOUSLY the m3 is a better car, however dont ever lower the 335, its one amazing car, ive owned 5 bmws, and truly its a beautiful car in every aspect. |
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Always a pleasure to read such threads. Try to debate without attacking each other, otherwise this thread will end just like all the others on that topic did before.
Best regards, south
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