Proof of OE/Gintani dyno manipulation

[808MGuy]

Originally Posted by m3heaven

OP bought his new x-pipe from powertrip before this all happened. Lets not start a bunch of assumptions now

If the cats were removed, that means someone had to retune the car.

Assumptions are all we have since the real truth will never come out. This was evident from day 1.

[brizzom]

I don't understand why the test can't still be done to prove who has the better tune

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by brizzom

I don't understand why the test can't still be done to prove who has the better tune

I agree. Just start over with the tunes on new cars and fight it out

[J08M3]

As I posted a long time ago, these tests never go through. What a shady market all of us enthusiasts have to deal with.

[rbk1115]

Originally Posted by J08M3

As I posted a long time ago, these tests never go through. What a shady market all of us enthusiasts have to deal with.

Agreed. Seems like too many eyes and not enough hands.

All talk... Pretty lame...

[///M3SOME]

OE has responded to the Challenge on this board in this thread and also else where. This Shootout needs to happen. The BMW community needs a cleansing of the blood. There are a bunch of M3s in California i am sure if both sides were a little more active in the search for one this shootout could take place. I do not understand why this is such a hard task. Find a third party Dyno facility invite every BMW forum member on the planet to spectate and let the tuners go head to head. Then let the universe unfold itself.

[Kyoshi71]

The biggest takeaway from Mike@Powerchip's link is:

...not a single Gintani car showed up to any track events -- and that alone makes the whole testing delay look like nothing more than an excuse to avoid having your dyno tests verified.

For anyone to do business with Gintani or OE after this circle-jerk, you'd have to be nuts.

[M3DCTBT]

Originally Posted by Kyoshi71

The biggest takeaway from Mike@Powerchip's link is:



For anyone to do business with Gintani or OE after this circle-jerk, you'd have to be nuts.

http://blog.aeperformance.com/?cat=6

Looks like one of their cars came in 1st at the time attack.

[808MGuy]

Originally Posted by brizzom

I don't understand why the test can't still be done to prove who has the better tune

If you look back at page 1 of the original thread, the objective of this whole thing was never to prove who's tune was better. The claim was made by the car owner that the OE tune increased power by some 20 something HP over his old PC tune and there were dyno sheets provided. PCs claim was that the dyno sheets were manipulated to show those gains and that the graphs shown on the dyno sheets are not possible. The objective was to verify the validity of the dyno sheets. Now that the car has been modified from its previous form, there is no way to verify that dyno run.

[SonnyJack]

Originally Posted by 808MGuy

If you look back at page 1 of the original thread, the objective of this whole thing was never to prove who's tune was better. The claim was made by the car owner that the OE tune increased power by some 20 something HP over his old PC tune and there were dyno sheets provided. PCs claim was that the dyno sheets were manipulated to show those gains and that the graphs shown on the dyno sheets are not possible. The objective was to verify the validity of the dyno sheets. Now that the car has been modified from its previous form, there is no way to verify that dyno run.

At least SOMEONE has been paying attention.

It was never about who has the better tune but rather the suspect dyno.

[alpine335i]

OE still should have a huge public dyno shootout.

[geneatals]

I remember a similar thread between ess and pc from way back...unfortunately that thread was closed..at least the mods/admins did not close this one...but you can find that thread via searching...

wonder if this post will get deleted...

[duk]

So no dyno tests after mfest? Thought it was on after mfest?

No gintani cars showed up to run against ess cars at mfest either? huh

[E90///M3`]

Originally Posted by duk

So no dyno tests after mfest? Thought it was on after mfest?

No gintani cars showed up to run against ess cars at mfest either? huh

i saw tightie & niterider at MFEST but tightie's car wasn't ready and i didn't see niterider's car.

I saw both of them and their car's at bimmerfest. i couldn't tell but one of their car's kept revving away to show the sound of the exhaust and blow-off valves on their supercharger kits.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by E90///M3`

i saw tightie & niterider at MFEST but tightie's car wasn't ready and i didn't see niterider's car.

I saw both of them and their car's at bimmerfest. i couldn't tell but one of their car's kept revving away to show the sound of the exhaust and blow-off valves on their supercharger kits.

Josh's car (tightie) is running well from what I've heard.

[E90///M3`]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Josh's car (tightie) is running well from what I've heard.

yup... as of Bimmerfest i heard the same thing

can't wait to see what a built M3 motor can do

[tightie]

Originally Posted by E90///M3`

i saw tightie & niterider at MFEST but tightie's car wasn't ready and i didn't see niterider's car.

I saw both of them and their car's at bimmerfest. i couldn't tell but one of their car's kept revving away to show the sound of the exhaust and blow-off valves on their supercharger kits.

My car was running fine at Mfest also. It was on low boost (9.5 psi). I was debating on entering the drag strip but I saw the poor times/poor track conditions and just didn't pull the trigger. I didn't come prepared and I was on R888s. (No D/Rs, Race gas, nothing)

My car has a hard time keeping traction already as it is, launching it at the strip is not only dangerous but most likely will be spinning tires the whole way down on street tires.

People can take that as a "excuse" but I'm over the whole pissing match with other companies. I'll give credit when due and I'll post results/dynos/runs when I want. My car isn't going to be apples to apples to any company car so from my point of view, I frankly don't care.

Yeah, it took a while but it's done. That's all I care about. I'm sure other companies will come out with a setup like mine but I like being the first. There is TONS and TONS of work that goes into my build, it's not a simple "hey lets lower the compression and bump up the boost" If it was, You would see a bunch of these little monsters flying around. I'm happy with the choices I have made with the car and I hope people can respect that.

I built the car for myself, my own enjoyment, not anyone elses. Do I have dynos? Yes. Do I have 60-130 runs? Yes. Do I footage of my car killing other cars? Yes.

Am I going to post any of them.. Nope.

[tightie]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Josh's car (tightie) is running well from what I've heard.

Originally Posted by E90///M3`

yup... as of Bimmerfest i heard the same thing

can't wait to see what a built M3 motor can do

Jason and Drew thanks for the support! We will have in fun in mexico.. real soon.

[Eugene-TAIWAN]

Originally Posted by tightie

Jason and Drew thanks for the support! We will have in fun in mexico.. real soon.

take me to mexico

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by tightie

My car was running fine at Mfest also. It was on low boost (9.5 psi). I was debating on entering the drag strip but I saw the poor times/poor track conditions and just didn't pull the trigger. I didn't come prepared and I was on R888s. (No D/Rs, Race gas, nothing)

My car has a hard time keeping traction already as it is, launching it at the strip is not only dangerous but most likely will be spinning tires the whole way down on street tires.

People can take that as a "excuse" but I'm over the whole pissing match with other companies. I'll give credit when due and I'll post results/dynos/runs when I want. My car isn't going to be apples to apples to any company car so from my point of view, I frankly don't care.

Yeah, it took a while but it's done. That's all I care about. I'm sure other companies will come out with a setup like mine but I like being the first. There is TONS and TONS of work that goes into my build, it's not a simple "hey lets lower the compression and bump up the boost" If it was, You would see a bunch of these little monsters flying around. I'm happy with the choices I have made with the car and I hope people can respect that.

I built the car for myself, my own enjoyment, not anyone elses. Do I have dynos? Yes. Do I have 60-130 runs? Yes. Do I footage of my car killing other cars? Yes.

Am I going to post any of them.. Nope.

RIGHT ON!!

[m33]

Good for you
Tightie

[kitw]

I guess it's time to take the "coming soon" out of your signature, then, tightie