How awesome is this: "CTS-V Challenge opened up to any would-be Caddy killers"

Year's_End · 10-14-2009, 07:17 PM

May the best car win. So says General Motors' Bob Lutz, and he's willing to put his Pilotis where his mouth is... so to speak. On a conference call last month, Maximum Bob challenged any journalist to a duel with the Cadillac CTS-V, and, not surprisingly, the mantle was picked up right quick by the boys at Jalopnik.

Rules? Sorta. Any stock production four-door sedan is reportedly eligible to go up against the Big V, and the drivers will be lining up against the clock on October 29 at the Monticello Motor Club in Monticello, N.Y. While Jalop's Wes Siler was originally slated to go up against Lutz in a Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG, that car has since been switched out in favor of the Jaguar XFR (earning the ire of TTAC in the process).

Here's the best part: Anyone who happens to own a new comparable sport sedan, such as a BMW M3 or M5, perhaps a Mercedes-Benz AMG sedan or the Audi S4 (not to mention the Mitsubishi Evolution), is welcome to submit themselves for consideration to take part in the festivities in New York. We're not sure how the participants will be selected or exactly what the racing will entail, but if you're interested in throwing your hat into the ring, click here. For what it's worth, we've driven the CTS-V around Monticello, and we figure the smart money is on the Daddy Caddy.

jopa489 · 10-14-2009, 07:24 PM

That's pretty cool. Should be interesting for sure.

jhv · 10-14-2009, 07:25 PM

god, i really love the new cts-v. i saw one on the road for the first time the other day

MisterSkiMask · 10-14-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan0102

the ctsv is a fucking beast, no doubt about it. I test drove one; engineering wise, its definitely most desirable than my dads E63, especially in the low rpms the supercharger is a monster, speed wise you feel like you're in a zo6, but handling wise, you feel like you're in an A4 sized sedan. The shift times are very quick (test drove an auto) Should be very interesting. I don't see an XFR getting anywhere close.

C63? 6.2 liter motor at 1900 pounds, CTSV? 2200 pounds with a 6.2 liter supercharged ZR1 engine.

(just have to note once more the steering wheel is horrid)

Where did you dream up those weights...do you mean kilos? That would be closer

MisterSkiMask · 10-14-2009, 08:44 PM

They better hurry up and do this...before someone takes delivery of a Panamera Turbo. That said, I hope the Caddy kicks some ass.

Nawaaz · 10-14-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jh valley

god, i really love the new cts-v. i saw one on the road for the first time the other day

Same here. I saw one a little over an hour ago when I was filling up gas, and I couldn't stop staring.....Not because I liked it, but because I rarely ever see one. It was black and it looked sharp, yet it's still not a car that I would desire to have.

EmPower · 10-14-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan0102

I have no idea where that just came from I think i did some random dividing in my head by accident mixed in with some other dyslexic shit.

anyways
c63 3649
ctsv 4200

For what the C63 is, its light. My 335 is almost that heavy and so is the M3...and when you actually consider that the C63 has a 6.2 V8 which has to be heavy!!! impressive stuff

Boost Gomez · 10-14-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EmPower

For what the C63 is, its light. My 335 is almost that heavy and so is the M3...and when you actually consider that the C63 has a 6.2 V8 which has to be heavy!!! impressive stuff

I believe the C63 is more than likely upwards of 3800 lbs. but the weights I've seen published vary greatly.

Year's_End · 10-15-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EmPower

For what the C63 is, its light. My 335 is almost that heavy and so is the M3...and when you actually consider that the C63 has a 6.2 V8 which has to be heavy!!! impressive stuff

There is no way a C63 weighs <3900lbs. You can feel it when you drive it.

I would venture a guess as to anywhere between 3900-4000lbs based on driving one frequently and the random specs that are thrown out there.

TSM330i · 10-15-2009, 09:51 AM

In Motortrend, the CTS-V ran a 103.9 lap time compared to 105.4 for the Jaguar XF-R. 1.5 seconds is a lot to make up on a track (Laguna Seca for this test). Randy Pobst drove both cars.

If John Heinricy is driving the Caddy, no journalist stands a chance against the CTS-V no matter what they bring. That guy is a real hot shoe!

domobrown · 10-15-2009, 09:55 AM

Wow, that's fair. A bunch of journalists in presumably slower cars versus a race driver who set the Nurburgring record for the CTS-V. Maybe an M5 with Bill Auberlen. That Road and Track issue with the M5 Vs CTS-V was close. The M5 was just as fast around the track, and the Caddie only managed to edge out the 4 year old M5.

lyndon_h · 10-15-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by domobrown

That Road and Track issue with the M5 Vs CTS-V was close. The M5 was just as fast around the track, and the Caddie only managed to edge out the 4 year old M5.

But with drivers who know each car, i have little doubt that the CTSV will handily beat the M5.

taliesen · 10-15-2009, 10:19 AM

Someone should bring that Eco Boost Lincoln to show Ford how a fair test should be done.

Spec 1 · 10-15-2009, 11:50 AM

Love it. What a monster of a car. I really wish I could afford one.

Sniz · 10-15-2009, 01:24 PM

I would LOVE that car....seriously

TSM330i · 10-16-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by domobrown

Wow, that's fair. A bunch of journalists in presumably slower cars versus a race driver who set the Nurburgring record for the CTS-V. Maybe an M5 with Bill Auberlen. That Road and Track issue with the M5 Vs CTS-V was close. The M5 was just as fast around the track, and the Caddie only managed to edge out the 4 year old M5.

You forgot that the CTS-V is $30K less than the 4 year old M5.

MisterSkiMask · 10-16-2009, 09:10 AM

Anyone who is talking crap about the CTS-V has clearly never uncorked GM's new super charged small block. I was fortunate enough to drive a ZR-1, that engine can almost alter time.

jeremyc74 · 10-16-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

Anyone who is talking crap about the CTS-V has clearly never uncorked GM's new super charged small block. I was fortunate enough to drive a ZR-1, that engine can almost alter time.

The most impressive part to me is that they're able to sell it for under $60k with that engine in it! GM is doing some really impressive stuff these days.

The CTS-V coupe is going to be a monster!

blue2fire · 10-16-2009, 09:16 AM

XF-R would probably kick it's head in.

jeremyc74 · 10-16-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blue2fire

XF-R would probably kick it's head in.

The Caddy is a half second quicker than the Jag through the 1/4 mile, and there's not enough weight difference between the two (about 100lbs) to allow it to make up that much difference in the corners, considering the CTS-V is also rolling on wider rubber.

footie · 10-16-2009, 09:34 AM

Is there anyone with a stock C6 RS6 in the US interesting in taking part or because it's not sold Stateside would that rule it out.

I bet it would give the big Caddy a run for her money.

TSM330i · 10-16-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blue2fire

XF-R would probably kick it's head in.

^^^Read post #12 please^^^

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