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01-08-2007, 10:48 AM | #1 |
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New ISF 400 HP, 350 ft-lbs, 0-60 in 4.9s
Just saw the live introduction of the new ISF. Dissapointing numbers ...
Performance-wise this car is competing with the chipped 335i. The real competition to the new M3 appears to be the new Lexus LF-A which they also showed (500 HP) but no release plans yet. Oh well ... let's hope the new M3 is not equally disappointing. |
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The 0-60 time of 4.9s better be stated very conservatively because the factory standard 335i sedan has tested at 4.8s already. Until C&D saves at least 0.4s off the Lexus stated time I am afraid the 335i is the shit for price-performance. I will wait for the test-drive reviews but it looks like this car ain't gonna cut it for me. It's either the new M3 or the chipped 335i with yet-to-be-released performance package. Please M3 don't dissappoint! |
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01-08-2007, 06:42 PM | #4 | |
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Cant count on press release specs at all
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01-09-2007, 01:59 AM | #6 |
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Weight?
As usual, better brakes than the BMW. Otherwise I would rate it a disappointment. Also beware Lexus tends to underrate HP just like BMW.
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01-09-2007, 11:43 AM | #8 | |
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What exactly did they do with the ISF? They took their IS-350, put in a larger motor, larger brakes, 8-speed automatic tranny, new exhaust. Then add some minor styling changes to the body and push it out the door as a competitor to the M3. Oh please ... I don't see any kind of new technology here that will bring about a new level of performance out of this car. I hope I am wrong and willing to wait for the testing reviews but I just don't see this car being revolutionary in any way. Now if they price it at $45K ... :rocks: As for the chipped 335i it doesn't involve any hardware modding, just ~$1K worth of software so in my mind it's OK to compare it both with this car and the new M3. Finally I expect the lexus LF-A to have kick-ass performance that should put it ahead of the new M3 (although not by much). But if you are into 2-door cars, it's gonna be hard to beat the price-performance proposition that will be offered in the upcoming Nissan GTR. These are good times to be in the market for a fast car ... |
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01-09-2007, 01:11 PM | #9 |
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There is no comparison between the M3 and LF-A. Both cars will be in completely different price points. The LF-A is supposed to be their supercar and will more than likely be priced in the 100K range. It'll probably be compared to the M6 instead.
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01-09-2007, 05:38 PM | #10 |
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Uhh... did you read the whole tread before posting
You would save nearly duplicate posts if you did.
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Oh sure Lexus wants the LF-A to compete with the Porsches and the M6s and they sure can slap a high price on that car but can they really deliver the performance? They haven't shown us anything yet. Their first opportunity to impress in this segment came yesterday with the new IS-F and it sure doesn't look like they did. That's why I think the LF-A will not be as good and I bet the new M3 will not be that far from it in performance.
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01-10-2007, 01:20 AM | #13 |
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Toyota has a lot of R&D done, they make the most reliable cars in the world, but making a fast car is some what different IMO, so with all due respect; there is a lot off work to do.........................................
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01-10-2007, 09:25 AM | #14 |
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Anyone see the white toyota concept hybrid sports car exhibited at the Detroit Auto Show? Could be coming in the next 2-3 years. Performance - 0-60 in around 4.0 secs. That's FAST! Great gas mileage too.
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01-10-2007, 09:43 PM | #16 |
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its so lumpy looking, and the quad stacked exhaust looks ridiculous, like some high school kid in art class had a novel idea. thank god for german engineering, i need a beer after that mess of metal
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01-11-2007, 04:29 PM | #17 |
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So, how many people are surprised of thess ISF/LFA?
I can't say much about LFA but ISF looks like poop to be honest. Interior is beautiful but exterior is just...yuk! IMO, it will look a LOT better with coupe than 4 door. That's what I am thinking since new IS first came out. I hope you are kidding about those ridiculous exhausts. LOL!!! |
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01-11-2007, 11:33 PM | #19 |
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Some guesses
Well the IS350 is about 3520 (w/aluminum V6). The engine, brakes, wheels/tires, exhaust, etc. of the IS-F might add (very rough guesses) 75, 25, 25, 20, 50 lb. So my guess is about 3725, unless they made a concerted low weight effort. With a very concerted effort maybe they could keep it down to 3650?? My bet on the E90 M3 weight is 3500
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I bet Swamp's ~3700 lbs guess is close. Its got a fundamentally better front suspension than the BMW. If they get the springs and shocks right it would put up a good fight. However, its unlikely they will give it enough tire to cope with the extra weight. I would put it as a slight edge to BMW assuming Lexus sticks with their traditional soft spring/shock package. If they don't, it will be trouble.
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