M3's closest Porsche...?

[Kyoshi71]

Originally Posted by devo

Yep, and I'd much rather pose in my GT3 than anything else.

Me too man. +1000 (however I wish I had one. You do!)

Can you imagine him using the word "poser" toward a 911 owner? What a douche!

[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by Kyoshi71

Me too man. +1000 (however I wish I had one. You do!)

Can you imagine him using the word "poser" toward a 911 owner? What a douche!

Well, at least he didn't mention tiny penis.

-scheherazade

[saeyedoc]

I think a poser could end up in a 911.
I think someone who just wants a Porsche sports car, without knowing anything about them, could easily end up in a base Carrera or even a Turbo if they have the budget. Definitely no posers in GT3's.
I'll bet very few that buy a Carrera for the first time have ever even test driven a Cayman.

[niqui]

love the cayman, had such high hopes for the R, if it had a bit more juice it would be in my garage - it will never get that power, so there goes that dream

op, what did u decide.
for me, its either 2012 gtr or to the porsche game.
im kinda gtr leaning (keeping the m, for 6 speed NA fun)...

[niqui]

Originally Posted by shift@red

Are crank HP numbers that important? The Cayman R will probably put down 310-315 RWHP. Not too much less than an e92 m3 puts down, but it weighs a good 800 lbs less. Ill take that any day especially when you combine the balance, steering, feel; its going to be a winner as the Cayman S always has been.
Considering how close a regular Cayman S and the Boxster spyder run to an M3 (spyder is faster on the track) the Cayman R will be ever faster on the track and will be probably be just as fast in a straight.

i agree 100% with you, but too be brutally honest.
its going to be a dd, and i miss the feeling of being pegged in the back of your seat scared.
i need some luxury in a dd, so the R would be stupid for me - i.e nav , etc.
if it were a dedicated track car, i am with you, and dont care about hp/tq. just tell me the weight.

[saeyedoc]

Originally Posted by niqui

i agree 100% with you, but too be brutally honest.
its going to be a dd, and i miss the feeling of being pegged in the back of your seat scared.
i need some luxury in a dd, so the R would be stupid for me - i.e nav , etc.
if it were a dedicated track car, i am with you, and dont care about hp/tq. just tell me the weight.

You can still get most of the options in the R to make it a good DD (Nav,PDK, Bose, etc.). It is more expensive to spec it with some options, they don't offer the Infotainment or Convenience packages in the R, so you have to order them seperately at higher cost.
If I was going to order one new, I would just spec an S the way I want it, unless the suspension in the R was that much better.
I'm going CPO '09 myself, will be ready in about 6 months when it's time to turn by 335i in.

[niqui]

Originally Posted by shift@red

If you want luxury, stick with a reg cayman S. I think its fine to get a cayman R with radio and AC (only adds back ~40 lbs) but for the most part its meant to be a bare bones car that is more weekend toy/track star than anything else.
That said, my previous cayman S didnt have PSM and had the 19" sport designs and found it to be a phenomenal DD.
PDK cayman S/R (and even the manual) will def throw you back in your seat plenty.

i hear you, just being greedy i guess.
GTS is pretty too, haha.
i cant justify paying more for the cayman r, then an idiot like me, adding 200 pounds in options...

[Rshane]

E9X M3 6M = Cayman S
E9X M3 DCT + ZCP = Carrera GT

[igom3]

Originally Posted by devo

I'd strongly consider a base .2 Carrera over a .1 Carrera S. Yes you will pay more but the .2 is argueably a better car; certainly in some ways. The 9A1 engine in the .2 is quite an advancement over the .1. Some of the .1's had IMS issues. The .2's no longer have an IMS and the engines weigh about 13 lbs less with far less moving parts. Power band is improved and they pump out nearly the same HP with better fuel economy as well.

.2 would be 09-10?

[Kyoshi71]

Originally Posted by Rshane

E9X M3 6M = Cayman S
E9X M3 DCT + ZCP = Carrera GT

The only explanation:

[devo]

Originally Posted by Rshane

E9X M3 6M = Cayman S
E9X M3 DCT + ZCP = Carrera GT

If you meant a Carrera GT as in CGT, then obviously this is a joke and a very very funny one. If you meant equal to any GT car (i.e. GT3, GT2) or the lesser GTS (not a GT car) then you are simply wrong and wrong by a long shot.

[devo]

Originally Posted by Kyoshi71

The only explanation:

HA!!! I just saw this.

[devo]

Originally Posted by igom3

.2 would be 09-10?

And 11. 12s will likely be a 991 911 with a modified version of the same 9A1 engine.

[devo]

Originally Posted by shift@red

This is going to be a hell of a motor, as if it wasnt already. 3.8 with ~410 hp. Basically the GTS motor.

I agree. The 9A1 is the engine of the future for Porsche.

My guess for the 991 S: 3.8 with 420 hp and 75-100 lbs lighter than its predecessor.

I'm curious to learn what the 991 gt3 and RS will be: MY2013 or MY2014, 4.0L, PDK option, a few pounds lighter and 480 and 510+ HP, respectively.

[igom3]

Originally Posted by devo

And 11. 12s will likely be a 991 911 with a modified version of the same 9A1 engine.

Including GT3?

[devo]

Originally Posted by igom3

Including GT3?

No, GT3/RS and turbo are approximately 2 1/2 years away.

The 991 Carreras will likely be debuted at the Frankfurt Auto Show in Sept 2011 as MY2012s.

[graider]

Originally Posted by scheherazade

Well, at least he didn't mention tiny penis.

-scheherazade

porsche and tiny penis was a scientific proven fact.

i want one down the road though.

[graider]

Originally Posted by saeyedoc

I think a poser could end up in a 911.
I think someone who just wants a Porsche sports car, without knowing anything about them, could easily end up in a base Carrera or even a Turbo if they have the budget. Definitely no posers in GT3's.
I'll bet very few that buy a Carrera for the first time have ever even test driven a Cayman.

you are wrong man, i say more poser in gt3 rs than anything.

[graider]

Originally Posted by devo

If you meant a Carrera GT as in CGT, then obviously this is a joke and a very very funny one. If you meant equal to any GT car (i.e. GT3, GT2) or the lesser GTS (not a GT car) then you are simply wrong and wrong by a long shot.

I think he is right. E9X M3 DCT + ZCP >>> Carrera GT

[alms211]

Originally Posted by graider

porsche and tiny penis was a scientific proven fact.

i want one down the road though.

...says the guy that wants a Z06

[graider]

Originally Posted by alms211

...says the guy that wants a Z06

ouch.....

[Great White]

Originally Posted by James T. Kirk

I've also noticed that out of all of the BMW's competitors, Porsche is one of the most highly regarded brands on this forum. As a result, I've begun some research on Porsche as a future purchase.

After spending quite a bit of time on Porsche's website, I find myself a bit dizzy from all of the combinations and permutations available. Rear wheel drive, all wheel drive, turbo, non-turbo... I don't know where to start.

Would someone please recommend which Porsche model is most equivalent to the E9X M3 in performance? Your recommendation can give me a starting point for which to focus.

Any recommendations on the next natural step up from the M3 would also be appreciated.

Jim. I´m a doctor not an engineer, for god´s sake man let the comparison die.. he´s dead Jim.

Hi. I´d like to start off with one explination which one day I will probably post as a new thread in here.
Porsche´s & M3´s are really fantastic cars and are both beautiful drives but a lot of people (I´m gonna get stoned for this now) try to compare two very different philosophies with each other. WHY:

1. Porsche is not at all a very practical car - M3 where as is. The Germans have the expression called "die Eierlegende Wollmilch Sau" which for a lack of better translation means - an Egg laying wool milk pig.. An expression which is to convey the message that the car is an over all roundabouter.
It has been developed to near sports car levels but just is not one.
An M3 performs a lot of duties admirably but can do none really perfectly, which is why it is so loved. Think of it, you can drive really very long distances (500 miles +) on one shot with your M3 & still get there quite relaxed and have all the comfort in the world still right at your demand.

2. A porsche is a real sports (not super sport or race !) car with a road worthy certification. The aerodynamics on the car alone speak this language.
I am phisically designed to do what I look like. I am low, broad & looking to be move for what I was builded for.
Let´s be honest: A porsche has two seats for a reason. It´s a sunday car for the nice drives in the mountainous serpentines and track days. Shopping?? yeah if you are a reall show off that needs to get your gallon a milk with 300+ HP Here a porsche is just too obvious..

Jim , it´s amatter of what YOU want to do with the car you purchase and what your looking for. Your expectations in what the car has to perform & do is the real choice maker here.

I have been looking into Porsche´s 911 Classic Sport, GT3, GT3RS , GT2 & GT2RS recently and have personally decided that whilest they all be great sport cars they just miss that certain level of comfort and variablity that my M3 E92 has and cannot compare.

A normal 911, Targa, Carrera, S, 4S and so on are the more relatable cars and the M3 can hold up to these any day with advantages I admit, but: if your going for a Porsche I just see no reason why not to go for it properly.

Resume:

M3 is a wonderfull GT with sports ambitions & every day usablility. Great for Highway long hauls and city travelling.

911 is a sports car applicable on the street but belongs on the serpentines and tracks. Fun gun for the weekends.