F30 F32 M3 Targets 450ps. More Performance Variants Possible, F32 M3 CSL

[zumjosh]

if they make an M3 GT will it be with the 507 HP V10 engine? I sure hope it will....

[Eau Rouge]

Originally Posted by elp_jc

He was referring to a reduction in features to leave some to the CSL. I don't think that'd be the case, as the CSL would probably be deleting features to make it lighter... while charging more money for it, a la Porsche .
And I don't think the new car will weight any less, but as long as it doesn't weigh any more, it'd have a better power to weight ratio than the current one. But I wouldn't change my NA V8 for a turbo 6 even if it had 1000 HP, but that's just me ; this car has more than enough performance for me. Good day.

That's a safe bet IMO unless the chassis is going to be smaller and/or more liberal usage of relatively expensive materials are incorporated into design.

As for the CSL, if such a variant is actually produced, it may weigh less than the currently produced M3, but if the intent is to sell a truly lightweight/hardcore iteration, that weight-adding DCT has to go along with a slew of other weight-jacking non-essentials. However, DCT probably will be retained for a "uber lightweight" version, and that would impress me as BMW/M stopping short of maximizing weight reduction potential. Perhaps BMW/M Division will pleasantly surprise some of us for a change.

[EmPower]

Originally Posted by duk

oh okay, didn't know... thanks Scott.

Edit: 450PS and 370tq+ in a lighter car would be great!!!

If its a TT car, expect torque figures between 430 and 500 lb-ft. Turbo charged engines can produce gob smacking torque. The only downside is whether this engine will be based off of the N54/55 series or a downgraded 8 cylinder M engine. I hope its the latter since the 54/55 are notorious for fuel pump failures

[GnokGnik]

I am hoping the next M3 will compete with the CURRENT R35 GT-R... without the hassles that come along with the Skyline. That will make it a must buy imo...of course that'll be very difficult (even for BMW).

[3XTR3M3]

Originally Posted by ihyln

You've already made Ms out of X5s and X6s that makes us question BMW's direction. We let that go because you are competing nicely with Cayennes. A M3 GT is enough of an abomination that I will have to consider MB or Audi.

Simply put, you cannot take an already hideous and heavy vehicle like the 5 GT "sleeker and lower". You will only end up with something slightly less hideous and heavy with an M badge.

If they made an M3 with amazing performance, you would not buy it if there was a GT version available as well? So, you have a hell of a car that other manufacturers TRY to be, performs excellent... you would buy that car, but if the same car also had a GT varient, you would NOT consider it?

Makes no sense from an enthusiast/performance standpoint.

[GewoW]

please please please whatever you do, or your people, or your people's people do...make sure the throttle response is quick

no quick no sale!

[bavarian19]

IF they keep hp up in the 400+ range, and add more low end torque on a lighter body, that can only mean good things.

All the FI bashers out there... Do you really think BMW will produce something less desirable than the current M3? FI will also probably bring EPA figures closer to non-SUV status.

[3XTR3M3]

Originally Posted by GewoW

please please please whatever you do, or your people, or your people's people do...make sure the throttle response is quick

no quick no sale!

Try the Sprint Booster or the Gintani tune which has the same effect plus more power.

I picked up a Sprint Booster last week for $200 and couldnt be happier with the money I spent vs. the instant GO feeling of getting on the pedal.

But if you wanna spend a lil more, definitely go for the Gintani tune which will give you more power AND get the snappy response from the pedal.

[ABSAUTOBODY]

man another turbo car... which means more fuel pump problems iono man ill rather stick to this generation m3

[dlbrooks18]

exciting stuff, nothing like getting a turbo'd car from the factory, I'm sure there will be great tuning potential

[3XTR3M3]

Originally Posted by ABSAUTOBODY

man another turbo car... which means more fuel pump problems iono man ill rather stick to this generation m3

I've manned a turbo car before with no fuel pump problems.

[MysticBlue]

I realize the HPFP issues have gone on longer than they should have, but I would assume that by 2014, they would have solved that particular problem.

[swamp2]

Thanks Scott.

Originally Posted by Doctor J

Gearing makes a big difference too.

Short gearing is what makes the GTR so fricken fast

who knows maybe they will make it with AWD too?

Incorrect. A fairly substantial under-rating of about 50 hp is the largest factor. The near race rubber helps as did a massive Nissan effort at the Nurburgring. The advanced AWD system certainly helps the 0-60.

Originally Posted by Bimmer Nerd

Bringing CSL to North America isnt a problem.......its the safety regulations that are, plus 50 different states with different safety standards.

Also incorrect. Safety standards in the US are national. Ever heard of NHTSA with "N" for "National". That being said safety regulations does have something to do with why the prior CSL did not make it to the US.

Originally Posted by GnokGnik

I am hoping the next M3 will compete with the CURRENT R35 GT-R... without the hassles that come along with the Skyline. That will make it a must buy imo...of course that'll be very difficult (even for BMW).

Not going to happen - see above. The new M3 will not have anywhere close to the power to weight ratio of the GT-R since it has ~ 530 hp.

[EDM92]

Originally Posted by gthal

You're funny...

Not really....

I'm a huge BMW fan boy. Don't get me wrong the E9X M3 is definitely a beautiful car, with wonderful cornering skills. The interior is also on point. Actually most of everything in that car is on point, except for the engine output. It always seems that the M3 is behind compared to it's competition in the HP and TQ aspect. I'm not sure if BMW does that just because they want people looking for more sheer power to buy an M5 or M6, but those cars are quite large/heavy and considerably more expensive. Prime example of good competition: CTS-V.

Edit: Well apparently mister gthal deleted his comment before I could respond

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

Try the Sprint Booster or the Gintani tune which has the same effect plus more power.

I picked up a Sprint Booster last week for $200 and couldnt be happier with the money I spent vs. the instant GO feeling of getting on the pedal.

But if you wanna spend a lil more, definitely go for the Gintani tune which will give you more power AND get the snappy response from the pedal.

thank you for that...BUT I was referring the instant feeling you get on a NA car vs a turbo car. I will look into the Sprint booster though - sounds interesting!

I am quite happy w/ the sport+ setting if i'm being honest, but turbos can not come very close to being as snappy as that

that's what i want BMW to do!

[gthal]

Originally Posted by BMWorNOTHING

Edit: Well apparently mister gthal deleted his comment before I could respond

Actually, I don't know how my post got deleted? I didn't intend to delete it. Anyway, I said what you quoted

[sA x sKy]

Originally Posted by EmPower

If its a TT car, expect torque figures between 430 and 500 lb-ft. Turbo charged engines can produce gob smacking torque. The only downside is whether this engine will be based off of the N54/55 series or a downgraded 8 cylinder M engine. I hope its the latter since the 54/55 are notorious for fuel pump failures

They're definitely not using the N54/N55 engine. BMW has been using more powerful and more efficient engines with each passing generation. Why would they stop that tradition now?

[emthreeboy]

I don't know, it just sucks bigtime that their going to go with the FI platform. I mean, M division is all about improving their NA platforms, and each time they keep impressing us, untill now. I i guess they have to be pushed towards more enviromental but i think its just bs.

Oh well, i guess next car will either a gt3 rs or maybe a fun project SC'd e46 m3, we shall see, so far i luv this car and i dont car what other people say, a turbo charged car will never sound as good as a high revving NA car, IMO!

[ihyln]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

If they made an M3 with amazing performance, you would not buy it if there was a GT version available as well? So, you have a hell of a car that other manufacturers TRY to be, performs excellent... you would buy that car, but if the same car also had a GT varient, you would NOT consider it?

Makes no sense from an enthusiast/performance standpoint.

I'm an enthusiast but I need 4 doors and if those 4 doors are ugly as sin, as it is the case with the 5 GT, then no. No sale.

As it was pointed out before they bring up the point of low sales for the sedans and are they out of their minds thinking a M3 GT would fix that? Jesus, I need to get a job at BMW then.

[ihyln]

Originally Posted by Mako

You do realize that Mercedes basically has an AMG version of every car they make, including the G wagon which is just stupid. I think they have an AMG version of the mini van R thing too. Audi is probably the only one that really limits what they put the S and RS badges on, but they are always underpowered and slow compared to the competition. My point is, don't hate a company because they make a car or two you don't like!

Fact of the matter is MB at least makes desirable 4 door and wagon AMGs that are properly quick. I see your point with Audi though.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Jeff_DML

every car company tries to do the same and the tuners find ways around it, nothing new

You didn't read what I wrote. Reports are major anti-tuning measures are coming from BMW. While Benz will use a Bosch ECU, that will purposely be easy to tune. Benz is taking measures to make tuning of their turbo engines easy, while BMW will make it more and more difficult. This will only frustrate enthusiasts and hurt forums like bimmerpost.

Then add the fact the next gen C AMG will have a TTV8, putting it in a different league power wise.

[ES_TRADER]

still no answer to what CSL is......