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It's been a while, but somewhere back in time around the launch of the E9x M3, a BMW official stated that M Division expected 90+% of the E9x M3s produced to be equipped with DCT. For comparison purposes, the SMG to MT ratio of the previous generation was closer to 1:1. If the prediction was accurate, MTs will be relatively rare, even in America where MT enthusiasts are most numerous. FWIW, the only MT E9x M3 I've ever seen on a showroom floor was the first 2008 M3 delivered to dealers with everything thereafter having DCT.
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It seems the market today is more inclined to drive something other than a manual as the trend by manufacturers has been to offer automatic-type transmissions in performance cars. These companies also want to explore technology with these fast-shifting transmissions, too. Couple this with the lazy driver who dreds manually shifting in gridlock and who's preoccupied with gadgets including cell phones. Other than Porsche, I'd say the manual transmission is slowly going away.
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Yeah, I believe that's because the SMG wasn't a very good transmission, and it hasn't been reliable, and when something does go bad, it's expensive to fix. That's a pretty potent combo in the used market. I know I test drove a Z4 SMG, and it was literally the worst transmission I've ever drove. Granted, if I owned one, I'd probably learn how to drive it better, but still, most people dont' want to readjust their driving style for a transmission. The DCT is worlds different as a transmission, plus I think it suits the car a bit better. If you can downshift 3 gears in a few milliseconds to get more power when you need it, it doesn't matter as much that the engine isn't that torquey. Furthermore, so far it's been a pretty reliable transmission, and most of the issues have been seen fairly early in the car's life. So, we'll see.
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I drove an older M3 yesterday for the first time and compared to my 08 M3, that transmission struggles. Don't get me wrong its a great car, but I was getting sea sick from all of the shift lag |
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When I was shopping for my car, it seemed the only things that mattered were mileage, options packages, and warranty (original, cpo, etc). How many pedals on the footwell didn't have an effect on price. Contrary to what some are saying, there really wasn't a shortage of 6MT. In fact, sedans were mostly mt. Convertibles were somewhat biased to dct, and coupes were about 50/50 split. As for long term, I'm sure the dct would lose value more than the mt. It's a very complicated and expensive piece of technology, with questionable long term reliability. Not to mention people are still haunted by the horror stories about the problematic e46 smg. Many buyers would be afraid of owning a dct once warranty is expired for fear of expensive repairs. |
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However, 6MT on E9x M3's are nothing to boast about (i.e. they're mediocre).
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If trading-in the car, DCT will be worth more. It's a VIN based and DCT is an additional 2,500$ option.
As these cars continue to age and with the flooded aftermarket support, I see manuals becoming more desirable. Mileage and age become more of a factor... The manual trans, clutch and flywheel is cheaper to maintain or replace if "kaputt".
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My logic would be based on demand. If a buyer wants a 6MT the dealer realizes this that "only" a manual will do and will set/negotiate price based on that desire vs a buyer who doesn't demand a manual.
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That may be, but that is even more reason why they will be worth more, especially since most car makers are now catering to simple drivers with these automatics. Yes and no, supply is more likley to dictate. Less MTs means they will be worth more down the line |
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I think the market will rise this year, I think it will drop this year....I think the MT will be more valuable , I think the DCT will be more valuable...
No one knows....but one thing is certain this will turn into another MT VS DCT thread..... So.... All the supercars are using DCT, everyone wants the latest technology, DCT is faster....(no one wants slower with less technology) bet on DCT being more valuable. |
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Also no cares about super cars on this thread. They are designed for people who want to spend more time tinkering with their e-gadgets than actually driving And you should know that most super cars are using single clutch automatics, with the exception of Porsche's PDK |
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Just because there were more E9X M3 DCTs produced for the US/Canada than manuals doesn't mean manuals will be worth more. The fact of the matter is over 25,000 E9X M3 were produced for the US/Canada and over 11,000 were manuals. With those numbers I would think there is more supply than demand for either transmissions, so it's a buyers market not a suppliers.
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No one cares about supercars on this thread? Really? so your own interest in manuals is I guess representative of the majority on this forum? I guess based on your logic GTR owners and Ferrari owners (who will destroy you on the track) don't care about driving....?? Plenty using the dual, however, not the point ( you lump them all under automatics anyhow) dual is still faster and newer technology than the MT...this is what future buyers want.....irrelevant point. Last edited by M3-S65; 08-18-2014 at 12:50 PM.. |
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