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      04-16-2018, 09:11 PM   #45
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Due to some personal/family reasons I really despise GM, but I've got to admit it's a super compelling car for the price.

H3ll I've been looking at Corvettes on AutoTrader lately too. A brand new flashy 'Vette red with blacked out wheels costs the same MSRP as a well-equipped M240. Heck the market is flooded with new 'Vettes exactly how I'd like them.

So on the one hand, you have a very capable and reasonably handsome little car from BMW.
But on the other hand, you have a V8 monster with exotic car looks for the same price.
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A literal truckload of 1le just came in to the Canadian west coast. The white one at the end got dropped off at my dealership awaiting ppi. Can't wait to pick it up when I get back.
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A literal truckload of 1le just came in to the Canadian west coast. The white one at the end got dropped off at my dealership awaiting ppi. Can't wait to pick it up when I get back.
Be careful, they are usually transported by rail to a location they can be put on a truck, but a few have reported some bad corrosion, as if it sat in the bottom rear location on the truck and was constantly sprayed with salt, so make sure to check first. Very rare, but the couple cars that did have this had it bad.
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Due to some personal/family reasons I really despise GM, but I've got to admit it's a super compelling car for the price.

H3ll I've been looking at Corvettes on AutoTrader lately too. A brand new flashy 'Vette red with blacked out wheels costs the same MSRP as a well-equipped M240. Heck the market is flooded with new 'Vettes exactly how I'd like them.

So on the one hand, you have a very capable and reasonably handsome little car from BMW.
But on the other hand, you have a V8 monster with exotic car looks for the same price.
i had a 2015 c7 and now have a 2018 m240i...

the vette cost me 64k cdn in 2015 with limited options...the m240i cost me 51k cdn with a discount in 2018

i prefer the m240i

the vette obviously has more presence and is slightly faster...but its not as fun or enjoyable to drive

gm still pales in comparison to the germans in the finer details which do impact how much you enjoy the drive

it feels sloppy and bungled together in comparison to the precision you feel in a bmw

the PARTIAL throttle response on the c7 is laggy

it is big and feels big

i went from a 2014 cayman s to the 2015 vette and sold the vette within 3 days and back into a 2016 Cayman s


its been 3 weeks since i got the m240i and its not up for sale
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The Corvette was 'slightly faster' than you M240i? That's cute, but I think your perceptions may be skewed.

Edit: I should add that the M240i is a great car, but performance wise, it doesn't come at all close to the C7 Corvette.
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i had a 2015 c7 and now have a 2018 m240i...

the vette cost me 64k cdn in 2015 with limited options...the m240i cost me 51k cdn with a discount in 2018

i prefer the m240i

the vette obviously has more presence and is slightly faster...but its not as fun or enjoyable to drive

gm still pales in comparison to the germans in the finer details which do impact how much you enjoy the drive

it feels sloppy and bungled together in comparison to the precision you feel in a bmw

the PARTIAL throttle response on the c7 is laggy

it is big and feels big

i went from a 2014 cayman s to the 2015 vette and sold the vette within 3 days and back into a 2016 Cayman s


its been 3 weeks since i got the m240i and its not up for sale
I had a C7 myself and then an M2. The C7 was faster in ALL respects than my M2... on a track, in a straight line, you name it and it owned the M2... so it would destroy an M240i

My experience was different than yours... I absolutely LOVED my C7 and only sold it for practical reasons. Yes, it was a more "raw" sports car experience than my M cars but, if anything, that was more fun. I now own a 340i as my DD and plan to add another Corvette shortly as my fun car.

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The Corvette was 'slightly faster' than you M240i? That's cute, but I think your perceptions may be skewed.
Yep, see above
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I had a C7 myself and then an M2. The C7 was faster in ALL respects than my M2... on a track, in a straight line, you name it and it owned the M2... so it would destroy an M240i

My experience was different than yours... I absolutely LOVED my C7 and only sold it for practical reasons. Yes, it was a more "raw" sports car experience than my M cars but, if anything, that was more fun. I now own a 340i as my DD and plan to add another Corvette shortly as my fun car.



Yep, see above
Good buddy of mine had a 2016 c7 zo6 and had zero mods to it when the motor blew. He purchased it brand new and when the dealership told him it would've been 17k to replace he said nope, got rid of it in and picked up an electric blue Zl1-1LE just like the one on the truck above.

He actually opted to lease vs buy considering the issue he had with the Z06 and is very happy with it.

His son has one of the first produced Zl1's and it's modified to over 900hp at the rear wheels with new pulleys and e85, which is impressive given how light the car is from the factory. Makes a hellcat look like a pig.
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i had a 2015 c7 and now have a 2018 m240i...

the vette cost me 64k cdn in 2015 with limited options...the m240i cost me 51k cdn with a discount in 2018

i prefer the m240i

the vette obviously has more presence and is slightly faster...but its not as fun or enjoyable to drive

gm still pales in comparison to the germans in the finer details which do impact how much you enjoy the drive

it feels sloppy and bungled together in comparison to the precision you feel in a bmw

the PARTIAL throttle response on the c7 is laggy

it is big and feels big

i went from a 2014 cayman s to the 2015 vette and sold the vette within 3 days and back into a 2016 Cayman s


its been 3 weeks since i got the m240i and its not up for sale
You are comparing apples to oranges, man.
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Good buddy of mine had a 2016 c7 zo6 and had zero mods to it when the motor blew. He purchased it brand new and when the dealership told him it would've been 17k to replace he said nope, got rid of it in and picked up an electric blue Zl1-1LE just like the one on the truck above.

He actually opted to lease vs buy considering the issue he had with the Z06 and is very happy with it.

His son has one of the first produced Zl1's and it's modified to over 900hp at the rear wheels with new pulleys and e85, which is impressive given how light the car is from the factory. Makes a hellcat look like a pig.
How is that possible? If the Z06 wasn't modded, the engine would absolutely have been covered under warranty. It wouldn't have cost him a dime to get it fixed. Something doesn't add up here
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How is that possible? If the Z06 wasn't modded, the engine would absolutely have been covered under warranty. It wouldn't have cost him a dime to get it fixed. Something doesn't add up here
Any dealer can deny anything at anytime.

So instead of him battling it, he just went another route!
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Any dealer can deny anything at anytime.

So instead of him battling it, he just went another route!
Maybe but then that's a fraudulent dealer then and it would have only taken a call to GM to deal with it. They cannot deny warranty without a valid reason. He could have easily gone to a different GM dealer down the street.

It still makes zero sense to me because even if he got rid of the Z06 as a result, it would have had a similar value hit given a blown motor. Seems absolutely crazy to not take it to another dealer and get it fixed. If another dealer denied warranty coverage then he would definitely have done something to modify the engine and cause the warranty to be invalidated. Otherwise, there is no reason this would not have been covered and, at the very least, preserved the value of his car on resale. I say it's all fishy.

Anyway, it's an academic discussion in any event but makes ZERO sense no matter which way you cut it.
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Maybe but then that's a fraudulent dealer then and it would have only taken a call to GM to deal with it. They cannot deny warranty without a valid reason.
That's the thing...why would they even want to? If the warranty has not been invalidated for some reason, they would get paid by GM to do the repair....why would they turn down legit work?
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Maybe but then that's a fraudulent dealer then and it would have only taken a call to GM to deal with it. They cannot deny warranty without a valid reason. He could have easily gone to a different GM dealer down the street.

It still makes zero sense to me because even if he got rid of the Z06 as a result, it would have had a similar value hit given a blown motor. Seems absolutely crazy to not take it to another dealer and get it fixed. If another dealer denied warranty coverage then he would definitely have done something to modify the engine and cause the warranty to be invalidated. Otherwise, there is no reason this would not have been covered and, at the very least, preserved the value of his car on resale. I say it's all fishy.

Anyway, it's an academic discussion in any event but makes ZERO sense no matter which way you cut it.
Yeah but the words “fraudulent” and “dealer” are synonymous with each other. So it makes sense.
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The Corvette was 'slightly faster' than you M240i? That's cute, but I think your perceptions may be skewed.

Edit: I should add that the M240i is a great car, but performance wise, it doesn't come at all close to the C7 Corvette.
Lots of C7 love on this BMW forum

Perhaps I should have been more precise in my language. In real world driving my m240i feels almost as fast (in a straight line) as the c7 I had. Granted I did not fully break in the vette, but neither have I broken in the m240i.

the m240i is a very fast car, I have the xdrive and some argue it can pull high 3 second 0-60 times, bmw claims 4.2.

the vette is a high 3 second car 0-60...

I think the difference in straight line speed around town probably does qualify as "slightly faster". At longer distances and higher speeds the vette would certainly begin to open a much larger gap, but I don't drive at those speeds so they don't matter much to me.
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I had a C7 myself and then an M2. The C7 was faster in ALL respects than my M2... on a track, in a straight line, you name it and it owned the M2... so it would destroy an M240i

My experience was different than yours... I absolutely LOVED my C7 and only sold it for practical reasons. Yes, it was a more "raw" sports car experience than my M cars but, if anything, that was more fun. I now own a 340i as my DD and plan to add another Corvette shortly as my fun car.



Yep, see above
yes you and I have discussed this before, and of course it's ultimately a subjective question of personal preference. for me it's wasn't a difference of rawness of the C7 versus my previous bmw's or porsches, it was a matter of clumsiness and sloppiness in all kinds of subtle aspects of the car...and that took away from the enjoyment for me...size also played a big part in my dislike of the C7 .

in the end, it's all about what brings more grins per mile, and the m240i certainly exceeds the c7 on this metric, for me.

I would say that anyone who is coming from a bmw and considering a GM product should spend some quality time with the product (more than a 15 minute test drive). For me the aspects of the car I didn't like so much came out more after a couple days of driving it, and I didn't see those things on the test drive where I was awed by the sound and torque.
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yes you and I have discussed this before, and of course it's ultimately a subjective question of personal preference. for me it's wasn't a difference of rawness of the C7 versus my previous bmw's or porsches, it was a matter of clumsiness and sloppiness in all kinds of subtle aspects of the car...and that took away from the enjoyment for me...size also played a big part in my dislike of the C7 .

in the end, it's all about what brings more grins per mile, and the m240i certainly exceeds the c7 on this metric, for me.

I would say that anyone who is coming from a bmw and considering a GM product should spend some quality time with the product (more than a 15 minute test drive). For me the aspects of the car I didn't like so much came out more after a couple days of driving it, and I didn't see those things on the test drive where I was awed by the sound and torque.
I can definitely appreciate your perspective. My personal view of the Corvette is different but that’s because there is a LOT of subjectivity in car choice. Don’t get me wrong, my 340i is a great car and for all intents and purposes as quick as the C7 around town... especially with xDrive. The difference favouring the C7 is more on extreme driving where the Corvette grips for days, has great power and massive brakes.

Refinement is definitely not up to BMW standards but isn’t way off (again IMO) but, to me, that was part of the charm and character of the car.
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Lots of C7 love on this BMW forum

Perhaps I should have been more precise in my language. In real world driving my m240i feels almost as fast (in a straight line) as the c7 I had. Granted I did not fully break in the vette, but neither have I broken in the m240i.

the m240i is a very fast car, I have the xdrive and some argue it can pull high 3 second 0-60 times, bmw claims 4.2.

the vette is a high 3 second car 0-60...

I think the difference in straight line speed around town probably does qualify as "slightly faster". At longer distances and higher speeds the vette would certainly begin to open a much larger gap, but I don't drive at those speeds so they don't matter much to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think the M240i is a great car, and I think Corvette's are butt-ugly.

But you're just deluding yourself (confirmation bias) if you think the C7 is only slightly faster than your M240i.

In the end, though, enjoy your car through whatever makes you do so.
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I think he has somewhat of a point, in the 0-60 realm an x-drive M240 would be only slightly faster. Most people only go "fast" in straight lines, such as stoplight to stoplight or on the highway. For a lot of practical driving, my WRX was nearly as fast or even faster than my 2010 SS. On a mountain rode, the SS (with upgraded sways) would tear apart the WRX, but in town, accelerating around some slow drivers, etc., the punch of the WRX at low speed was satisfying and as much as you would get at those speeds with something "faster". AWD launch is hard to beat. But as speeds increase, the vette stays stable, keeps accelerating, and doesn't drop-off. Around turns it'll grip far better and it'll keep more speed through turns. It is massively faster, but most people won't appreciate that with normal driving.
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There's nearly a two second delta between their 0-100 times. If we're gonna start calling that close, then sure. But this is like arguing that an i3 is fast as an M3 to 30 mph.
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There's nearly a two second delta between their 0-100 times. If we're gonna start calling that close, then sure. But this is like arguing that an i3 is fast as an M3 to 30 mph.
How often are you going 100mph in the city?
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There's nearly a two second delta between their 0-100 times. If we're gonna start calling that close, then sure. But this is like arguing that an i3 is fast as an M3 to 30 mph.
How often are you going 100mph in the city?
How often do you measure a performance car by how many bags of groceries it carries?

A current Camry is quicker than a 512bb, but I don't think any one cares.
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