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05-28-2013, 09:56 AM | #1 |
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Will 15W 50 be okay?
Mobil 1 15W 50 I bought 18 bottles.
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What brand is it ? I know castrol makes the 10 60 BMW m specific.
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The viscosity may be ok - - close enough to 10w60 - - but what about other performance aspects of the oil. Is it rated BMW LL01? Not sure that is even relevant since the TWS is made exclusively for the naturally aspirated M3/M5 and it does not carry the BMW LL01 license. It's really tough for any of us to predict how the Mobil would perform in your M3. If it were me, I wouldn't gamble on using it.
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I pulled this from Turner's site:
We have been using RedLine 15w50 Oil in our street cars and race cars for years. Hands-down, it is the Number One brand of high performance lubricant for BMWs. The ultimate high-temperature protection in Red Line engine oils recommended for street use. Good for engines that regularly run very high oil temperatures. Best for engines that run large clearances such as air-cooled engines or large-displacement, all-out racing engines that see occasional street use. Provides 25% more viscosity in bearings than petroleum 20W-50s. Not recommended for use in cold climates where temperatures are at or below 10°F or -12°C. Not recommended for street use in production engines that see sustained oil temperatures below 225°F (those engines should use Red Line 10W-30 or 10W-40). Turner Motorsport recommends this oil in the E30 M3 during the summer and for track-use.
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I would definitely NOT use it.
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it's not that bad; actually a good oil Closest to a 10w 60 and I wouldn't hesitate to use it if out of warranty or in a jam.
FYI here's an analysis on a M5 engine http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...2862511&page=1 |
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this debate has been ongoing forever so I won't add to it, but if you believe everything in that manual I would also be perplexed. that being said, I use 10 60, but don't see problems with alternatives as their is proof out there of people using other weights in M cars w/ no issues. In fact if I lived in a cold climate I too would consider a switch.
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All that being said, if you take decent care of your car you could probably run dino oil in it and make it last 150k miles. You'd just have to change it out more often.
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I am going to refund the them. Too risky. How many quart required on the S65?
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I agree with many of the things that Radiation Joe has said. BMW does have a working/business relationship with Castrol. So does VW and Audi. In fact, most of the major car/truck mfrs in Europe and the US have a working relationship with a lubricant partner. Daimler and Porsche use/recommend Mobil 1. Many of the French oems use/recommend Total/Elf. Ferrari (since the beginning of Ferrari) use/recommend Shell (Pennzoil in the US). I don't think this "business relationship" diminishes the quality of the lubricants in any way. In fact I think it's quite the opposite. There's a slide presentation floating around on the internet by Lubrizol Corp. ( a major supplier to oil companies of the various additive packs used in motor oil). It's called "The Price of Performance" and describes the diligence (viz. time and money - - lots of money) oems and their lubricant partners spend developing the approval specs (e.g. BMW LL01) and recommended oils for their products. There's also a video of a presentation given by a chemist with Afton Chemicals (big add pack supplier like Lubrizol). The chemist describes the same working relationship between oems and their lubricant partners as producing what he calls "designer oils" (e.g. TWS). Lubricant chemists/chemical engineers, tribologists, and the oem engine development engineers working as a team to develop an oil tailor made for their engine or familiy of engines. What's wrong with that?
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BMW builds tight tolerance engines. 30W oil is appropriate for engines built this way. The TWS is an insurance policy by BMW for people who take their cars to the track with 12k miles on an oil fill. When I built a hi-po M10 many years back, I built it with very loose (by BMW standards) clearances. I ran 50W oil in that one. The S65 is built for 30 or 40 weight oil.
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I started a thread under gasoline engine used oil analyses at Bobistheoilguy.com. One of the best responses was this:
Well, Ford fitted the BOSS 302 with an oil cooler (the M3 has an oil cooler too) and still bumped the oil grade up to 5w-50. My guess is that, when tracked HARD, they are seeing oil temperatures that are elevated high enough to warrant the use of the much heavier oil.
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Considering there are 10w60 alternative oils such as Redline and Lubro Moly, you don't have to stick to TWS to get the 10w60 requirement.
I would not run a different weight however unless the car is used for track or something other than the general usage that BMW has designed TWS for.
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