1st to 2nd grind at high rpm

MMMorish · 05-12-2009, 04:34 AM

It happened AGAIN last night!! I'm going to call BMWNA again today. Something has to be done.

argonboy · 05-16-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MrHarris

Sure this isn't because we are shifting too fast/hard?

No f'in way, at least not for everyone. The tip of my foot was on the floor before I shifted. I've paid very close attention to it.

First I thought I was doing it too quickly. It would need a full second to allow the shift without the grind. I had done it 3 launches in a row, while being careful on the last two to make sure the clutch is nicely in and shifting quick & smooth. The RPM would drop to about 5000 by the time I would be in gear.

After the new clutch, I'm not having that issue. The gearbox felt notchy getting out of gears even at operating temp (like it is to get out of first when it's super cold out), that's what indicated it was a clutch issue.

This was about 5k miles ago already.

MrHarris · 05-16-2009, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by argonboy

No f'in way, at least not for everyone. The tip of my foot was on the floor before I shifted. I've paid very close attention to it.

First I thought I was doing it too quickly. It would need a full second to allow the shift without the grind. I had done it 3 launches in a row, while being careful on the last two to make sure the clutch is nicely in and shifting quick & smooth. The RPM would drop to about 5000 by the time I would be in gear.

After the new clutch, I'm not having that issue. The gearbox felt notchy getting out of gears even at operating temp (like it is to get out of first when it's super cold out), that's what indicated it was a clutch issue.

This was about 5k miles ago already.

I did this too. I made sure the clutch was to the floor and it still did this. Feels like it's in the tranny somewhere.

kevinz · 05-18-2009, 03:19 PM

I'm having the same issue as well guys. 1st to 2nd grinds at pretty much any rpm.

Atny286 · 05-19-2009, 03:49 AM

I never had a grind... However, it does feel that I cannot swift as quick as I would like. The 1-2 swift takes me at least 0.5s longer than needed, resulting in the fact I need to consider the 0-100kms of all cars under 5.5s...

VanM3Lover · 05-20-2009, 12:57 AM

This happened to me once, after that I never tried to shift so fast from 1st to 2nd. So it never happened again. But I do wonder if there is any defect or do we just have to shift slower from 1st to 2nd on purpose to avoid grind.

niqui · 05-20-2009, 10:00 AM

what exactly do you guys mean by a grind....the 1-2 shift just feels rough to me sometimes, once its warmed up...like is there a noise or shaking?

John@BMW · 05-20-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by niqui

what exactly do you guys mean by a grind....the 1-2 shift just feels rough to me sometimes, once its warmed up...like is there a noise or shaking?

do you remember the first time you drove a standard transmission and the car would make a horrible noise if you did not shift into the next gear properly? That is the grinding sound we are talking about- you know, If you cant find it, grind it....

As far as an update on my car- IT IS FIXED 100%. I have 1500 miles on the new trans/clutch/flywheel/spring and I have put the car through its paces and the car has shifted flawlessly.... Not 1 grind since!

I could not be happier.... I can shift as fast as I want now.......

Im really curious as to the new clutch pedal spring- The clutch pedal feel is completely different than the original spring assembly....

Id like to know if the '09 models come with the newest updated spring hence the reason why only early 08 model cars are complaining about the grinding.........

niqui · 05-20-2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John@BMW

do you remember the first time you drove a standard transmission and the car would make a horrible noise if you did not shift into the next gear properly? That is the grinding sound we are talking about- you know, If you cant find it, grind it....

As far as an update on my car- IT IS FIXED 100%. I have 1500 miles on the new trans/clutch/flywheel/spring and I have put the car through its paces and the car has shifted flawlessly.... Not 1 grind since!

I could not be happier.... I can shift as fast as I want now.......

Im really curious as to the new clutch pedal spring- The clutch pedal feel is completely different than the original spring assembly....

Id like to know if the '09 models come with the newest updated spring hence the reason why only early 08 model cars are complaining about the grinding.........

that happened to me once or twice max then...a couple thousand kms ago though

mvagusta · 05-20-2009, 09:48 PM

I tried it at a 5000 rpm role. Then i floored it to 8200rpms. Shifted to second it grinded.....It did it 4 X'ssss I was so pissed. I have 15k miles on it. I didn't have problems like that before. I tried it before in the 15k miles, but I got the 1,2, shift.. In the 15k miles. I tried it 10 x's In the beginning I was 7 out of 10. Now the last couple of day's I had to get it wright. The last couple of day 4 x's wrong. What the hell. If i slow down and shift. Then i get it. I'm afraid it's wear.. I think the weak link to this car is the tranny.. If this is true what a disapointment.. Should of got the porsche C2.

VanM3Lover · 05-21-2009, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John@BMW

do you remember the first time you drove a standard transmission and the car would make a horrible noise if you did not shift into the next gear properly? That is the grinding sound we are talking about- you know, If you cant find it, grind it....

As far as an update on my car- IT IS FIXED 100%. I have 1500 miles on the new trans/clutch/flywheel/spring and I have put the car through its paces and the car has shifted flawlessly.... Not 1 grind since!

I could not be happier.... I can shift as fast as I want now.......

Im really curious as to the new clutch pedal spring- The clutch pedal feel is completely different than the original spring assembly....

Id like to know if the '09 models come with the newest updated spring hence the reason why only early 08 model cars are complaining about the grinding.........

Can you tell us the part number of the new spring? Is the spring the only thing needed to be replaced to fix this problem, or do all the staff you mentioned need to be repleced.

My car is 09 and I do think I have this problem. Also, how do I convince my dealer to do the work without trying to replicate the problem with the tech.

TUNEDM3 · 05-21-2009, 05:28 PM

This 1-2 shift is starting to piss me off as well. I want to take it into the dealer, but then I have to put the CDV back in the car, the clutch spring and take the SSK out all so they can tell me they cant replicate the problem. How can we fix this?

MrHarris · 05-21-2009, 07:02 PM

I've had this issue in the the last three BMW's I've had, including 2 E92 M3's. It doesn't bother me much, but when I'm trying to shift fast from first to second, half the time this problem makes me look like a complete douche.

mvagusta · 05-21-2009, 08:35 PM

I tried it at a launch and it shifted every time.. 1st to 2nd fast.. The problem is in a roll of 4k to 8k is were the problem is. Not at a stop and go. It might be a safety lock not to downshift to 1st or 2nd..

MMMorish · 05-26-2009, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iBeJayKaying

Anyone interested in a letter to BMW? We could try faxing each other's signatures onto one sheet, collect all the signatures, and then send the finalized letter to them....

I'm in.

MTROIS · 05-26-2009, 06:15 AM

This behavior is mechanically normal from 1st to 2nd (a few post below explained why the synchro does not work as smoothly as for higher gears)... doing it to your car is not normal!

This is what BMW Tech Guru Mike Miller would label a "knucklehead" thing to do, but would also recommend upgrading the gearbox oil to RedLine MTL.

This car is not a dragster so treat it adequately.

dcstep · 05-26-2009, 10:59 AM

It's not normal, since mine doesn't do it. Some cars evidently have a real problem and most do not.

Dave

DevJ · 05-26-2009, 12:02 PM

I'm in for the letter as well

farbarg · 05-26-2009, 12:24 PM

I'd sign.

jmargol2 · 05-26-2009, 01:56 PM

I would sign as well i had this same problem about a year ago, i brushed it off as if it was nothing but i cant shift fast from one to two either

Nawaaz · 05-26-2009, 02:02 PM

I had this exact problem on my 2006 Evo IX MR, and it got worst and worst...And that was one of the reasons why I sold it.

I just ordered a 2009 E90 M3 recently.......Does anyone think I'll run into the same problem? I heard this grinding issue may be happening in only the '08 M3's...?....

Nawaaz · 05-26-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by iBeJayKaying

Some 09's seem to have it, but the amount of 09's having the problem is very rare in comparison to the 08's, from the information I have gathered.

Looking good on potential signees so far, keep it coming guys. We need enough signatures to create a visual impact before we go any further with this.

So I've heard about 1 out of 20 '08 M3's have the grinding issue. That means I have a much lesser than 5% chance in having the grinding issue. I better keep my fingers crossed....

I really hope all of the grinding issue gets resolved. I know that it can be an absoulte nightmare when it happens. All the best!

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05-18-2009, 03:19 PM	#114
kevinz Private First Class 22 Rep 142 Posts Drives: AW E92 M3 6MT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0)	I'm having the same issue as well guys. 1st to 2nd grinds at pretty much any rpm. __________________
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05-19-2009, 03:49 AM	#115
Atny286 First Lieutenant 34 Rep 360 Posts Drives: M3/E90/SSII/19s Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Amsterdam iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 M3 E90 [0.00]	I never had a grind... However, it does feel that I cannot swift as quick as I would like. The 1-2 swift takes me at least 0.5s longer than needed, resulting in the fact I need to consider the 0-100kms of all cars under 5.5s... __________________ 2008 M3 E90/SSII/Black/6MT/19s/chip=456PS
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VanM3Lover First Lieutenant 20 Rep 394 Posts Drives: 4.0 V8 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Van iTrader: (0)	This happened to me once, after that I never tried to shift so fast from 1st to 2nd. So it never happened again. But I do wonder if there is any defect or do we just have to shift slower from 1st to 2nd on purpose to avoid grind.
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05-20-2009, 10:00 AM	#117
niqui Brigadier General 127 Rep 3,110 Posts Drives: Jet Black E92 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canada iTrader: (7)	what exactly do you guys mean by a grind....the 1-2 shift just feels rough to me sometimes, once its warmed up...like is there a noise or shaking?
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05-20-2009, 09:48 PM	#120
mvagusta Lieutenant 16 Rep 473 Posts Drives: 2008 m3 coup Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: michigan iTrader: (1)	I tried it at a 5000 rpm role. Then i floored it to 8200rpms. Shifted to second it grinded.....It did it 4 X'ssss I was so pissed. I have 15k miles on it. I didn't have problems like that before. I tried it before in the 15k miles, but I got the 1,2, shift.. In the 15k miles. I tried it 10 x's In the beginning I was 7 out of 10. Now the last couple of day's I had to get it wright. The last couple of day 4 x's wrong. What the hell. If i slow down and shift. Then i get it. I'm afraid it's wear.. I think the weak link to this car is the tranny.. If this is true what a disapointment.. Should of got the porsche C2.
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05-21-2009, 05:28 PM	#122
TUNEDM3 Stay Ripping 60 Rep 546 Posts Drives: 1M Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New York iTrader: (4)	This 1-2 shift is starting to piss me off as well. I want to take it into the dealer, but then I have to put the CDV back in the car, the clutch spring and take the SSK out all so they can tell me they cant replicate the problem. How can we fix this?
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MrHarris yodog 197 Rep 5,025 Posts Drives: '86 Corolla Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Diamond Bar, Ca iTrader: (5) Garage List 2009 BMW [10.00]	I've had this issue in the the last three BMW's I've had, including 2 E92 M3's. It doesn't bother me much, but when I'm trying to shift fast from first to second, half the time this problem makes me look like a complete douche. __________________ 2009 E92 M3 \| Alpine White \| Black Extended \| Advan RS \| Turner Test Pipes \| Dinan Axle-Back \| OETuning \| Eibach Springs \| UUC SSK \| VRS Front Lip \| VRS Type I Diffuser \| Matte Black \| RPi Scoops \| MS Filter \| Yokohama AD08 \| F1 Pinnacle Special Thanks: Gintani \| OETuning \| eAs
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mvagusta Lieutenant 16 Rep 473 Posts Drives: 2008 m3 coup Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: michigan iTrader: (1)	I tried it at a launch and it shifted every time.. 1st to 2nd fast.. The problem is in a roll of 4k to 8k is were the problem is. Not at a stop and go. It might be a safety lock not to downshift to 1st or 2nd..
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05-26-2009, 06:15 AM	#126
MTROIS Major 188 Rep 1,153 Posts Drives: on the wrong side of the Ocean Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Jersey, USA iTrader: (0)	This behavior is mechanically normal from 1st to 2nd (a few post below explained why the synchro does not work as smoothly as for higher gears)... doing it to your car is not normal! This is what BMW Tech Guru Mike Miller would label a "knucklehead" thing to do, but would also recommend upgrading the gearbox oil to RedLine MTL. This car is not a dragster so treat it adequately. __________________ 2019 M2C MT (ED + PCD) \| 2008 M3 Coupé MT \| 1995 M3 LTW MT \| BMW CCA HPDE Instructor
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farbarg First Lieutenant 28 Rep 311 Posts Drives: SSII e90 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	I'd sign.
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jmargol2 Enlisted Member 5 Rep 46 Posts Drives: 2008 e93 m3 black on black Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto iTrader: (1)	I would sign as well i had this same problem about a year ago, i brushed it off as if it was nothing but i cant shift fast from one to two either
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Nawaaz Brigadier General 221 Rep 4,643 Posts Drives: . Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: . iTrader: (0)	I had this exact problem on my 2006 Evo IX MR, and it got worst and worst...And that was one of the reasons why I sold it. I just ordered a 2009 E90 M3 recently.......Does anyone think I'll run into the same problem? I heard this grinding issue may be happening in only the '08 M3's...?....
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