Audi TT-RS, is it a true M3 rival?

[Sticky]

Originally Posted by footie

Best not ask sticky because he would have told them not to bother, it would be too slow anyway.

If you asked me I would want to know if DSG will come later, THAT is the question I would ask. The Cayman S has a leg up in this sense.

Another thing, with no DSG, I am going to guess it won't be US market at first?

[swamp2]

OK back on topic...

Very nice looking car. Those composite rotors, esp. the aluminum hats are a piece of art.

0-200k in 15.9s, ain't going to happen with this power and weight. I'd say more like 18s. South where did that number come from?

With the specifications as listed I don't think this car will be much of an M3 (nor RS4) competitor, track or strip.

[footie]

Those figures are from Audi themselves and considering the S4 with same power and torque does the 200km/h in the 18.Xs then something with over 200kg less has a fighting chance.

Who knows, maybe Audi are telling lies about the actual power.

[Robin_NL]

OFF TOPIC, but Sticky hey interesting about your father surviving the WWII in a concentration camp etc. My grandparents kept 2 jewish children in their ranch in WWII which was prohibited by the Germans as we all know...and after WWII the children went to Canada by boat for a new live. My grandparents(both already RIP) haven't heard of them eversince....

Anyway, we Dutch are a victim of WWII but still sarcastic in our WWII humour.

For example this bad joke so don't read it if you don't feel comfortable:








"My grandfather died in a concentrationcamp in WWII, he fell off the watchtower"













Anyway back ontopic.

Cheers
Robin

[southlight]

Originally Posted by swamp2

OK back on topic...

Very nice looking car. Those composite rotors, esp. the aluminum hats are a piece of art.

0-200k in 15.9s, ain't going to happen with this power and weight. I'd say more like 18s. South where did that number come from?

With the specifications as listed I don't think this car will be much of an M3 (nor RS4) competitor, track or strip.

That number comes from the German Audi site, thus it's pretty official. I like you am skeptical about that one though.


Best regards, south

[footie]

Originally Posted by southlight

That number comes from the German Audi site, thus it's pretty official. I like you am skeptical about that one though.


Best regards, south

There ain't many other 4wd coupes with 340hp and happen to weigh 1450kgs, I checked and the only one I came up with was the Carrera C4 which has 5 more horses but weighs 20kgs more and has 60Nm less torque.

According to Porsche the C4 covers the one kilometer in 23.8s, that only 0.5s slower than what BMW quote for the M3 to cover the same distance.

Will the TT-RS be any quicker than the C4 given it's extra torque and less weight..........?

That's the $64,000 question.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by footie

There ain't many other 4wd coupes with 340hp and happen to weigh 1450kgs, I checked and the only one I came up with was the Carrera C4 which has 5 more horses but weighs 20kgs more and has 60Nm less torque.

According to Porsche the C4 covers the one kilometer in 23.8s, that only 0.5s slower than what BMW quote for the M3 to cover the same distance.

Will the TT-RS be any quicker than the C4 given it's extra torque and less weight..........?

That's the $64,000 question.

The Cayman S PDK as tested by Sportauto makes me doubt it: With a tested weight of 1458kg (less than the TT-RS) it did 0-200kph in 18.3s. After 100kph the AWD benefit is gone and the Cayman did that in 4.7s so these times seem to be quite comparable. TT-RS has more torque and slightly more power but is that enough for it being more than 2 seconds faster? Really the €64,000 question...


Best regards, south

[footie]

Originally Posted by southlight

The Cayman S PDK as tested by Sportauto makes me doubt it: With a tested weight of 1458kg (less than the TT-RS) it did 0-200kph in 18.3s. After 100kph the AWD benefit is gone and the Cayman did that in 4.7s so these times seem to be quite comparable. TT-RS has more torque and slightly more power but is that enough for it being more than 2 seconds faster? Really the €64,000 question...


Best regards, south

Can you explain how so many reviews have got the much heavier S4 to cover the same speed in 18.6s?

Cayman S vs TT-RS vs S4 vs E46 M3

weight: 1350kgs vs 1450kgs vs 1650kgs vs 1495kgs
Horsepower: 325hp vs 340hp vs 333hp vs 343hp
Torque: 370Nm vs 450Nm vs 440Nm vs 365Nm
0-100km/h: 4.7s vs 4.6s* vs 5.0s vs 4.8s
0-200km/h: 18.2s vs 15.9s* vs 18.6s vs 16.8s

* claimed and the M3 figures are also from SportAuto.

Based on the M3 vs TT-RS figures which the M3 weighing 45kgs more and producing 85Nm less torque the TT-RS figures maybe are optimistic but not by much.

It's as believeable as an E46 M3 doing 200km/h in 16.8s.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by footie

Can you explain how so many reviews have got the much heavier S4 to cover the same speed in 18.6s?

Cayman S vs TT-RS vs S4 vs E46 M3

weight: 1350kgs vs 1450kgs vs 1650kgs vs 1495kgs
Horsepower: 325hp vs 340hp vs 333hp vs 343hp
Torque: 370Nm vs 450Nm vs 440Nm vs 365Nm
0-100km/h: 4.7s vs 4.6s* vs 5.0s vs 4.8s
0-200km/h: 18.2s vs 15.9s* vs 18.6s vs 16.8s

* claimed and the M3 figures are also from SportAuto.

Based on the M3 vs TT-RS figures which the M3 weighing 45kgs more and producing 85Nm less torque the TT-RS figures maybe are optimistic but not by much.

It's as believeable as an E46 M3 doing 200km/h in 16.8s.

I guess we're talking about press cars.


Best regards, south

[footie]

Originally Posted by southlight

I guess we're talking about press cars.


Best regards, south

Hallelujah, someone with the same opinion as my own and that's is the cars supplied by manufacturers (press cars) have a little bit more grunt than your average car off the showroom floor.

So what is a realistic figure for all of these cars?

[T Bone]

Sorry for jumping into this thread late but over in the M5 world, there is much talk about the metric 60-130 mph as measured by Vbox (GPS based "accelerometer"). In that specific context it was a Dinan Stroker M5 vs. an ASR Nitrous M5.

But the good news with the 60-130 mph benchmark, there is a body of confirmed times.

Personally, I love this benchmark since it tests, power, drivetrain, aerodynamics and weight.....

Anyone dredge up times for the cars discussed here? (BTW, anything sub 10 seconds is good)

3.9*900+ rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, 30 psi, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
4.74*996TT 890 rwhp, Divexxtreme 2-shifts
4.9 - 940 rwhp Supra (35 psi)
5.1 - 840 rwhp Supra (30 psi)
5.4 - 1,000 rwhp TT Viper
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron (estimate based off of verified 100 - 200kph time of 4.8)
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
5.98*C5 Vette with big motor and NOS
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.69*Dr. Jitsu / 996 GT2 / 700 crank HP / 1-shift
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.56*C5 Z06TT (APS Turbo, no cats, stock muffler, 573 rwhp @ 9.5 psi) / 1 shift
7.73*997TT with ECU flash / 2 shifts
7.86*Corvette C6 Z06, stock, Divexxtreme / 2 shifts)
8.07*Lamborghini LP640 / 2 shifts
8.86*Stock 997TT / 32 degrees, Tiptronic (0 shifts)
8.9 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
9.10*993 Ruf R Turbo 490 HP / 2 shifts
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.5 - Ferrari F430
9.6 - Ferrari F50
10.06*996TT with ECU flash / 1 shift
10.9 - Lamborghini Murcielago
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
12.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by T Bone

3.9*900+ rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, 30 psi, [U]

...are you shitting me? How?

[mixja]

M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > Sticky vs...

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Loyalist

...are you shitting me? How?

Don't shoot the messenger. Do a google on 60-130 for various list of times.

[Vorsprung]

I would say the TT-RS isnt quite a direct rival to the M3, but if you're looking for something smaller and potentially quicker than the M3, this might just be it.

Interesting article here http://www.wheels24.co.za/Content/Ne...ker_than_an_M3


Some real life pics of the car...

[Robin_NL]

Wow, I don't like that colour and the rear, but the wheels and stance are OK.

[graider]

is it just me or the overall shape and rims are pretty ugly? I can't find anything attractive about it.

I can't see how anyone would take this over the m3. i hate the cayman, but I think it still look better than this tt.

[M&M]

Originally Posted by Vorsprung

I would say the TT-RS isnt quite a direct rival to the M3,

How's it going buddy, long time no see. Whan you coming back to visit us?

I disagree on your post though. M3 is a 4 seater coupe. The Z4 M coupe would be more of a TT rival.

[graider]

Originally Posted by M&M

How's it going buddy, long time no see. Whan you coming back to visit us?

I disagree on your post though. M3 is a 4 seater coupe. The Z4 M coupe would be more of a TT rival.

the z4 m coupe is better looking than the tt-rs and if bmw put the m3 v8 in it just like how they put the e46 m3 engine in it. Then it would be a hit. I would choose the z4 m coupe over the tt any day even with it current hp.

[footie]

Originally Posted by graider

the z4 m coupe is better looking than the tt-rs and if bmw put the m3 v8 in it just like how they put the e46 m3 engine in it. Then it would be a hit. I would choose the z4 m coupe over the tt any day even with it current hp.

I honestly thought the Z4M had been dropped for future plans, has that been changed or is this idea only wishful thinking?

BTW, I love the look of the new Z4 far more than the old one but where BMW has positioned the new car (i.e. closer to the SLK than Cayman) I don't see it as a competitor to the TT anymore.