Who's ready for an M-DCT review?

[ybbiz34]

Seriously DCT guys, make your cars get here faster.

In all seriousness, I really cannot wait to hear the DCT reviews of this car. I expect a small novel to be written about the DCT by the Club-DCT members here.

[yungmsix]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Seriously DCT guys, make your cars get here faster.

In all seriousness, I really cannot wait to hear the DCT reviews of this car. I expect a small novel to be written about the DCT by the Club-DCT members here.

i spoke to one of the guys testing it, he told me the DCT will be faster than current SMG, making it a faster car than the standard 6-speed. he didnt tell me if they will be using 7 or 8 gears though? look at the difference between M5/M6 SMG VS 6-Speed. theirs a slight drop with the 6-speed. also the modest 0-60 4.8 seconds is for security. ///M division is already working on the CSL Version which will probably hit times in the low 4s.

[nusevad]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Seriously DCT guys, make your cars get here faster.

In all seriousness, I really cannot wait to hear the DCT reviews of this car. I expect a small novel to be written about the DCT by the Club-DCT members here.

You can count on us


Its going to be 7 gears.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by yungmsix

///M division is already working on the CSL Version which will probably hit times in the low 4s.

Working on it doesn't necessarily mean it will be given the go-ahead.


Best regards, south

[JIO]

I'm still guessing that the DCT will be slower than the 6-speed in the US since like SMG, BMW will not give us the full launch control. Without the full launch control, it'll be impossible to get a clean, very fast take-off. It'll either bog down or will be too much wheelspin....just like SMG.

Either way, it's fast and the car was not designed to be a drag racer.

[rai]

it is possible for the software to 'protect' the tranny from violent starts which could slow down the launch. I think the M3 is gonna need some high-ish RPMs to launch without bogging.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by JIO

It'll either bog down or will be too much wheelspin....just like SMG.

Seems odd SMG allows such wheelspin as I thought that the rationale for crippling LC was to protect the car from being abused to much and thus costing BMW a lot in warranty claims. True, you can get wheelspin without hurting the tranny per se, but then if you can do that, you could design to get a good launch without hurting the tranny also, I'd think.

[yungmsix]

Originally Posted by southlight

Working on it doesn't necessarily mean it will be given the go-ahead.


Best regards, south

i believe it was a few months ago, that someone from BMW (president i think) said that as long as the M3 is made, their will be a follow up to it with a M3 CSL..so it will be a go ahead.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by yungmsix

i spoke to one of the guys testing it, he told me the DCT will be faster than current SMG, making it a faster car than the standard 6-speed. he didnt tell me if they will be using 7 or 8 gears though? look at the difference between M5/M6 SMG VS 6-Speed. theirs a slight drop with the 6-speed. also the modest 0-60 4.8 seconds is for security. ///M division is already working on the CSL Version which will probably hit times in the low 4s.

The complete technical details have been released some time ago in a 20+ page BMW document available to the public. We know the (official BMW) performance figures (some), the number of gears, the gear ratios, details about the Drivelogic system, fuel efficiency, etc. Where have you been?

[Nucking Futs!]

Originally Posted by JIO

I'm still guessing that the DCT will be slower than the 6-speed in the US since like SMG, BMW will not give us the full launch control. Without the full launch control, it'll be impossible to get a clean, very fast take-off. It'll either bog down or will be too much wheelspin....just like SMG.

Either way, it's fast and the car was not designed to be a drag racer.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...that's what they did w/the U.S. launch of the M5 smg3 tranny but a year later BMW NA allowed & provided U.S. dealerships a new s/w revision to have the same launch control rpm as the Euro version. Thus, I'm sure we'll get the exact same launch control setup as the Euro version.

[skierman64]

We better get the exact same car the rest of the world gets (with the exception of the seat bottoms and the ugly front relector). No detuning of launch control or any other performance feature.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by skierman64

We better get the exact same car the rest of the world gets (with the exception of the seat bottoms and the ugly front relector). No detuning of launch control or any other performance feature.

It is very unlikely that we will get the same LC as EU/rest of world. Reasons are simple.

1. We like drag style launching too much
2. BMW offers a 4/50 bumper to bumper warranty in the US. Where else gets anything close to that?

[ChrisFastM3]

Originally Posted by swamp2

It is very unlikely that we will get the same LC as EU/rest of world. Reasons are simple.

1. We like drag style launching too much
2. BMW offers a 4/50 bumper to bumper warranty in the US. Where else gets anything close to that?

Good points, especially #2.

[E90330iS]

There are no 4 year warranty in other countries?

[Sticky]

Originally Posted by Nucking Futs!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...that's what they did w/the U.S. launch of the M5 smg3 tranny but a year later BMW NA allowed & provided U.S. dealerships a new s/w revision to have the same launch control rpm as the Euro version. Thus, I'm sure we'll get the exact same launch control setup as the Euro version.

You are incorrect.

[darkalley]

Originally Posted by E90330iS

There are no 4 year warranty in other countries?

yeah. 4 warranties are a US thing.

[phoenixbmwlife]

I just read an article that says US launch of DCT in July. I sure hope they have it wrong.

Sorry if its a bit off topic I just need to rant a little.

[nusevad]

Originally Posted by K3N R3D

I just read an article that says US launch of DCT in July. I sure hope they have it wrong.

Sorry if its a bit off topic I just need to rant a little.

That article has got its facts wrong, we got 10 members including me that had their M-DCT spec cars complete production that is either at the ports or headed to the ports. I seriously doubt they will leave them there or hold them in a garage until July.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by FifthStreetz

That article has got its facts wrong, we got 10 members including me that had their M-DCT spec cars complete production that is either at the ports or headed to the ports. I seriously doubt they will leave them there or hold them in a garage until July.

I hope you're right. I just wish we could get some official news you know. It would make me feel better.

[Nucking Futs!]

Originally Posted by Sticky

You are incorrect.

I stand corrected. I just did a search & got confused w/the 6-speed manual (on an M5 & M6) being permitted to disable DSC.

[jshmbh359]

I am not an engineer, but I have some experience with the M3 cars that BMW has produced. Over may years, in fact, I have owned all four of the models, E30, E36, E46, and now a 2010 E92 (E93?) Coupe with the DCT. Re the latter, I tried to get specific information from the M3 specialists at BMW of Tenafly NJ, but didn't get very far. I had read many of the negative reviews of the DCT, and was a bit worried about how the thing would perform. But most of those talked about the 2008 edition. Is it possible that the experts at Motorsport have tweaked the computer since then?

I haven't put many miles on the car yet, but I can report that the DCT on this car is superb. In setting 4, the upshifts are virtually instantaneous, a tiny faction of a second. Downshifts, depending on how fast you are going, are a bit slower of course. But isn't that always true of downshifts, especially with the manual transmission and a heel-toe maneuver? And of course you get a pretty strong deceleration coming down from high engine speeds, which also seems normal to me.

Conclusion: if any of you Beemer lovers are thinking about this car, go for it. For the money it has to be finest machine on the road in America, with a suspension that is incredible. Has anybody seen the statistics that suggest that the E92 has the fastest 80-0 braking time of any car in America that costs less than a quarter million?

I hope this helps.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by jshmbh359

I am not an engineer, but I have some experience with the M3 cars that BMW has produced. Over may years, in fact, I have owned all four of the models, E30, E36, E46, and now a 2010 E92 (E93?) Coupe with the DCT. Re the latter, I tried to get specific information from the M3 specialists at BMW of Tenafly NJ, but didn't get very far. I had read many of the negative reviews of the DCT, and was a bit worried about how the thing would perform. But most of those talked about the 2008 edition. Is it possible that the experts at Motorsport have tweaked the computer since then?

I haven't put many miles on the car yet, but I can report that the DCT on this car is superb. In setting 4, the upshifts are virtually instantaneous, a tiny faction of a second. Downshifts, depending on how fast you are going, are a bit slower of course. But isn't that always true of downshifts, especially with the manual transmission and a heel-toe maneuver? And of course you get a pretty strong deceleration coming down from high engine speeds, which also seems normal to me.

Conclusion: if any of you Beemer lovers are thinking about this car, go for it. For the money it has to be finest machine on the road in America, with a suspension that is incredible. Has anybody seen the statistics that suggest that the E92 has the fastest 80-0 braking time of any car in America that costs less than a quarter million?

I hope this helps.

It took you a long time to get to this conclusion since this is a very old thread...