I firmly believe that the E9x BMW M3 will become the 996 of M3's...

[aus]

Originally Posted by BarryC

Having owned an x5m, 135i, Fiat Abarth, an x3 2.8i(turbo) and a GTR - I've got an idea of what a turbo engine is capable of. This is why I came back to the e92. I agree the next gen car will be faster but it won't necessarily be better.

BarryC is back in the house!!!
Welcome back, but what brought you back?

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[cotenseto]

The 2027 M3 is going to make the F80 look like a 996!

This argument is so played out and just plain dumb. If you don't like the E9X M3, buy something else. To try to compare the vehicle to one of the least revered generations of 911's in decades is just hilarious to me (and I'm sure most others here).

Cheers.

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[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by LarThaL

I doubt this will be the case. Yes, it will be a better performer for sure. But trouncing the e9x series is hard to do with a front-engine, coupe/sedan design. In fact, in terms of overall performance, all factors included, the current M3 is as good as it gets in a car that can properly seat more than 2 people. I don't think the change from E9x to F8x will even be as great as from E46 to E9x. The F8x will definitely have more torque but application of that torque is still going to be traction limited. That is just the trade-off if you want RWD steering/handling dynamics.

I agree with you. Def wont be as big of a change e9x to f8x and im still not convinced with BMW and turbos. They have a long way to go before Id trust them like I would Porsche with a turbo engine.

[///M3THOD]

There is no M3 equivalent of an 996. Its foolish to even get pulled in by that.

Autospies is a joke and the journalist is a tool. All he's doing is get his hit count up by starting controversy amongst the community.

[Darth One]

It's pretty funny how easy this forum is to troll, though (and of course I am including myself in that observation)

[///M3THOD]

Originally Posted by Darth One

It's pretty funny how easy this forum is to troll, though (and of course I am including myself in that observation)

I mean.. what else would we be doing, ..working?

[aus]

Originally Posted by h4nh

I have faith bmw will come out with a better M3. The F10 M5 has been amazing so far. It has more power and it's more efficient compared to the previous version.

The M5 has lost every comparo I've seen or read. The steering is the main issue and I'm hoping they fix it for the M3.

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[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by aus

The M5 has lost every comparo I've seen or read. The steering is the main issue and I'm hoping they fix it for the M3.

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The new m5, by all accounts is a better luxury car and faster, but not a better driver's car.

[kerrit]

I'm hoping the resale value on the e9x M3 stays very high due to it having the magical S65

[Koldun]

I still think the claim of a lighter car is bullshit. They said the same thing about the new M6, and she is a fat fucking pig.

[Shoney41]

Originally Posted by Koldun

I still think the claim of a lighter car is bullshit. They said the same thing about the new M6, and she is a fat fucking pig.

Haha this made me laugh. So true, and such a good term for it.

[WarrantyTracker]

Originally Posted by davesaddiction

E36 comment applies to the neutered North American version...

The F80 will surely outperform the E9x, the question is how the experience will compare. Many still prefer the E30, even though its "slow" by modern standards.

E30 M3 prices are appreciating currently. I see people asking $30k for decent but not great examples. I don't know what they're getting, but I have heard of them going fast with multiple offers in the mid $20k's.

I think the new M3/M4 will be a great car. But I bought a '13 E92 before I really wanted a new coupe, so that I wouldn't have to get an F80.

That being said, most people will regard the E92 as "an old car" once the F80 is in full swing (but don't get me wrong, I LOVE the E46). And that will last a while.

For example, E36 M3s are at an in-between age when they aren't really widely thought of as "cool" yet, and they look a little bit too much like a bad 90s flashback, even though they're great track cars and super popular with those who know how to drive fast. At some point soon, even people who don't know anything about M3s will be doing blog articles about how great the E36 is. (Just like people who know diddly about BMWs keep comparing everything BMW makes smaller than a 5 series to the 2002. Have you ever driven a stock 2002?) But we aren't there yet. I suspect the E92 will have a similar time line.

This leaves me stuck wondering what to do next: overpay for a E30 M3 while I can still get one, or get a deal on a low-mile E36 M3 and hang on.

Mean while, I'm off to swap an E30 2.5l into my E21 323i. But first I'm going to the track to use up the 2.3l before I have to rebuild it. After all, a guy needs SOMETHING to do besides making retro-grouch internet posts about how the new BMW model whatever clearly demonstrates that the brand has utterly lost its way.

By the way, did I mention that Mr. Fusion completely ruined the DeLorean Flux Capacitor? Fusion power is so lame. Just nothing distinctive about it.

[shadye90]

If you are looking to overpay for an E30 M3 here are 2 for you to consider...

http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?f...1D=18&1574_0=1

Originally Posted by WarrantyTracker

E30 M3 prices are appreciating currently. I see people asking $30k for decent but not great examples. I don't know what they're getting, but I have heard of them going fast with multiple offers in the mid $20k's.

I think the new M3/M4 will be a great car. But I bought a '13 E92 before I really wanted a new coupe, so that I wouldn't have to get an F80.

That being said, most people will regard the E92 as "an old car" once the F80 is in full swing (but don't get me wrong, I LOVE the E46). And that will last a while.

For example, E36 M3s are at an in-between age when they aren't really widely thought of as "cool" yet, and they look a little bit too much like a bad 90s flashback, even though they're great track cars and super popular with those who know how to drive fast. At some point soon, even people who don't know anything about M3s will be doing blog articles about how great the E36 is. (Just like people who know diddly about BMWs keep comparing everything BMW makes smaller than a 5 series to the 2002. Have you ever driven a stock 2002?) But we aren't there yet. I suspect the E92 will have a similar time line.

This leaves me stuck wondering what to do next: overpay for a E30 M3 while I can still get one, or get a deal on a low-mile E36 M3 and hang on.

Mean while, I'm off to swap an E30 2.5l into my E21 323i. But first I'm going to the track to use up the 2.3l before I have to rebuild it. After all, a guy needs SOMETHING to do besides making retro-grouch internet posts about how the new BMW model whatever clearly demonstrates that the brand has utterly lost its way.

By the way, did I mention that Mr. Fusion completely ruined the DeLorean Flux Capacitor? Fusion power is so lame. Just nothing distinctive about it.

[Wellardmac]

Anyone here actually own both cars and have any data to back up their opinions?

Comparing an M3 to a 996 is idiotic - apples to oranges. As others have said, the Autospies piece was trolling.

Those that are trashing the 996 might be better served saving their words and getting out and driving one.

BTW, I DO own both and would not trade either.

...oh yeah, one more photo because nothing really can beat that classic silhouette.

[AshyLarryMP]

Originally Posted by Koldun

I still think the claim of a lighter car is bullshit. They said the same thing about the new M6, and she is a fat fucking pig.

Going to V-6, so it's different.

[Voltigeur]

Originally Posted by Darth One

If anything it's the upcoming m3/4 that runs the risk of being the 996 of m3's. everyone hated the switch to water cooled, because the whole point of 911's was that they were air cooled. Sounds similar to BMW M and turbocharging?

Good point. But I also think they have to screw up the M3/M4's styling - the 996 for some looks 'clean', for me it's a jellybean, lacking the forceful character, and the 'hips' of the classic 911s from 1970s-90s. But the 996 is still a P-car and something of a bargain.

I think if the BMW AG engineers deliver on the near 8k redline + torque and a smooth throttle response; most will be happy.

And, no way the E9X M3 is an awkward evolutionary misstep.

[mlambert890]

The 996 is a great drivers car. I've owned two and love them.

That said, the Porsche community is unique (and insane) and the 996 is unique as well. Anyone drawing ANY comparo to anything porsche is a moron because of the unique nature of that fanatical community. Consider:

1 - first water cooled. The level of controversy this caused cant be properly understood by normal people. "Porschephiles" of the "old school" variety will literally GO TO THE GRAVE *raging* over how an engine gets cooled. That's a mental illness, IMO, and unique to the Porsche community

2 - first "mass manufactured". Similar to the above, there is the romantic notion that all air cooled 911s were engineered and assembled to perfection lovingly by magical elves hidden deep within the Black Forest. Never mind that by 1998 Porsche was nearly out of business. These guys WANTED porsche out of business so they would be the last people to get to own one and lord it over everyone else until deciding to sell their cars to fund their retirement. Instead, with the 996, Porsche commoditized the 911, thrived, and made a fuck ton. The "super fans" will hate them forever for this

3 - first 911 to share a product line with the Boxster. "Real 911" fans hate the Boxster. I put real in quotes because these guys are all asshole posers. The Boxster is and was a PHENOMENAL drivers car. It was *gasp* less expensive though and your traditional 911 elitist asshole doesn't want the "rabble" in. That the 996 SHARED a FRONT FASCIA with this "peasant car"? Unforgivable!!

4 - very real "growing pains". IMS, RMS, cylinder walls. Lots of stuff that, while not common, was very real and could blow engines. Porsche didn't sort this shit until the >997.2<

Take the above in total and anyone who isn't a moron will see that there can BE NO ANALOG to the 996 in another manufacturers lineup. ESPECIALLY the M3 which is 1) too young by far and 2) has been universally praised EVERY genertion and 3) has been VERY incremental and evolutionary in its updates

Conclusion? Autopsies are talking out of their ass to drive traffic like every other sleaze bag website. Most sites have become bullshit sensationalist tabloids honestly.

[rngrjag]

Great points:

To summarize for BMW community:

996 is to Porsche what Bangle was to BMW. Design controversy, nothing more.

(Cars weren't bad cars, arguably better than their predecessors...design was controversial.)

[TTG]

Originally Posted by Snig

E9x = 993.

996...rofl.

+100000

They lost me at 996...... Who really cares about 996s.

993 will always be the legendary 911.

[Wellardmac]

Originally Posted by mlambert890

The 996 is a great drivers car. I've owned two and love them.

That said, the Porsche community is unique (and insane) and the 996 is unique as well. Anyone drawing ANY comparo to anything porsche is a moron because of the unique nature of that fanatical community. Consider:

1 - first water cooled. The level of controversy this caused cant be properly understood by normal people. "Porschephiles" of the "old school" variety will literally GO TO THE GRAVE *raging* over how an engine gets cooled. That's a mental illness, IMO, and unique to the Porsche community

2 - first "mass manufactured". Similar to the above, there is the romantic notion that all air cooled 911s were engineered and assembled to perfection lovingly by magical elves hidden deep within the Black Forest. Never mind that by 1998 Porsche was nearly out of business. These guys WANTED porsche out of business so they would be the last people to get to own one and lord it over everyone else until deciding to sell their cars to fund their retirement. Instead, with the 996, Porsche commoditized the 911, thrived, and made a fuck ton. The "super fans" will hate them forever for this

3 - first 911 to share a product line with the Boxster. "Real 911" fans hate the Boxster. I put real in quotes because these guys are all asshole posers. The Boxster is and was a PHENOMENAL drivers car. It was *gasp* less expensive though and your traditional 911 elitist asshole doesn't want the "rabble" in. That the 996 SHARED a FRONT FASCIA with this "peasant car"? Unforgivable!!

4 - very real "growing pains". IMS, RMS, cylinder walls. Lots of stuff that, while not common, was very real and could blow engines. Porsche didn't sort this shit until the >997.2<

Take the above in total and anyone who isn't a moron will see that there can BE NO ANALOG to the 996 in another manufacturers lineup. ESPECIALLY the M3 which is 1) too young by far and 2) has been universally praised EVERY genertion and 3) has been VERY incremental and evolutionary in its updates

Conclusion? Autopsies are talking out of their ass to drive traffic like every other sleaze bag website. Most sites have become bullshit sensationalist tabloids honestly.

Finally someone that knows what they're talking about!

Well stated.