What software am I running???

[shane060]

just picked up my 2011 M3 from the dealer and I was told Im running I level E89X-10-09-511? I am trying to make sure that it has been updated to the newest 240E update!?

[stevens]

170E mate

[stevens]

stolen from another thread:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=797020

Legacy:
Progman - 28.0 - E89X-07-12-515
Progman - 28.0.1 - E89X-07-12-515
Progman - 28.0.2 - E89X-07-12-515
Progman - 29.0 - E89X-08-03-510
Progman - 29.01.2001 - E89X-08-03-520
Progman - 29. Feb - E89X-08-03-520

60E:
Progman - 30.0 - E89X-08-03-530
Progman - 30.0.1 - E89X-08-03-540
Progman - 30.0.2 - E89X-08-03-540
Progman - 31.0 - E89X-08-09-515
Progman - 31.1 - E89X-08-09-520

ISTA/P - 2.31.0 - E89X-08-09-515
ISTA/P - 2.31.1 - E89X-08-09-520
ISTA/P - 2.31.1.1 - E89X-08-09-520
ISTA/P - 2.31.1.2 - E89X-08-09-520
ISTA/P - 2.31.2 - E89X-08-09-530

80E:
ISTA/P - 2.32.0 - E89X-08-09-530
ISTA/P - 2.32.1 - E89X-08-09-530
ISTA/P - 2.32.2 - E89X-08-09-530
ISTA/P - 2.33.0 - E89X-09-03-510
ISTA/P - 2.33.1 - E89X-09-03-520
ISTA/P - 2.33.2 - E89X-09-03-520
ISTA/P - 2.33.3 - E89X-09-03-520

100E:
ISTA/P - 2.34.0 - E89X-09-06-510
ISTA/P - 2.34.1 - E89X-09-06-510
ISTA/P - 2.34.2 - E89X-09-06-510

ISTA/P - 2.35.0 - E89X-09-09-515
ISTA/P - 2.35.1 - E89X-09-09-515
ISTA/P - 2.35.1.1 - E89X-09-09-515
ISTA/P - 2.35.2 - E89X-09-09-516
ISTA/P - 2.35.3 - E89X-09-09-516
ISTA/P - 2.35.4 - E89X-09-09-516

140E:
ISTA/P - 2.36.0 - E89X-09-12-510
ISTA/P - 2.36.0.1 - E89X-09-12-510
ISTA/P - 2.36.1 - E89X-09-12-512
ISTA/P - 2.36.1.1 - E89X-09-12-512
ISTA/P - 2.37.0 - E89X-10-03-501
ISTA/P - 2.37.1 - E89X-10-03-502
ISTA/P - 2.37.2 - E89X-10-03-504

170E:
ISTA/P - 2.38.0 - E89X-10-06-500
ISTA/P - 2.38.1 - E89X-10-06-501
ISTA/P - 2.38.2 - E89X-10-06-502
ISTA/P - 2.39.0 - E89X-10-09-501
ISTA/P - 2.39.1 - E89X-10-09-501
ISTA/P - 2.39.2 - E89X-10-09-511
ISTA/P - 2.39.3 - E89X-10-09-511
ISTA/P - 2.39.4 - E89X-10-09-511

190E:
ISTA/P - 2.40.0 - E89X-10-12-501
ISTA/P - 2.40.1 - E89X-10-12-501
ISTA/P - 2.40.2 - E89X-10-12-503
ISTA/P - 2.40.3 - E89X-10-12-503

200E:
ISTA/P - 2.41.0 - E89X-11-03-501
ISTA/P - 2.41.1 - E89X-11-03-502
ISTA/P - 2.41.2 - E89X-11-03-502
ISTA/P - 2.41.3 - E89X-11-03-510
ISTA/P - 2.41.4 - E89X-11-03-511

220E:
ISTA/P - 2.42.0 - E89X-11-03-511
ISTA/P - 2.42.1 - E89X-11-03-511
ISTA/P - 2.42.2 - E89X-11-03-511
ISTA/P - 2.43.0 - E89X-11-09-501
ISTA/P - 2.43.1 - E89X-11-09-503
ISTA/P - 2.43.2 - E89X-11-09-503
ISTA/P - 2.44.0 - E89X-11-09-505

231E:
ISTA/P - 2.45.0 - E89X-11-09-506
ISTA/P - 2.45.1 - E89X-11-09-506
ISTA/P - 2.45.2 - E89X-11-09-506
ISTA/P - 2.46.0 - E89X-12-03-500
ISTA/P - 2.46.1 - E89X-12-03-502
ISTA/P - 2.46.2 - E89X-12-03-502
ISTA/P - 2.46.3 - E89X-12-03-502
ISTA/P - 2.46.4 - E89X-12-03-502

240E:
ISTA/P - 2.47.0 - E89X-12-07-502
ISTA/P - 2.47.1 - E89X-12-07-503
ISTA/P - 2.47.2 - E89X-12-07-504
ISTA/P - 2.47.3 - E89X-12-07-504
ISTA/P - 2.47.4 - E89X-12-07-506
ISTA/P - 2.47.5 - E89X-12-07-507
ISTA/P - 2.47.6 - E89X-12-07-507
ISTA/P - 2.47.7 - E89X-12-11-507
ISTA/P - 2.48.0 - E89X-12-11-507

[Majin Buu]

How do I know the version of my software other than with a dealership scantool? Is there some hidden menu in the idrive or instrument cluster or something that can tell me?

[stevens]

not as far as im aware its either dealer and asking them for a mini-service print out from your key (they do this at the service desk) or reading the I-LEVEL from a coding cable via NCSEXPERT etc

[stevens]

there is an I-LEVEL that shows up as E89x-12-07-508 that may seem like 240E and it might very well be if all modules in your car have been updated, but its also the level that gets set when you have the BMW security update and you might not have 240E. checking the version of each module again through the coding cable or asking BMW to supply this will tell you if you have the full update or just the security update.

[shane060]

Well I just asked my SA to have the tech list the software It it possible to drop by and find out from a key read or should I just ask them to verify it next time I take it in? If its not the most current or as in both modules then I guess I can just say the DCT is acting up in 2nd or jerky etc and have them or request for the latest software update?

[stevens]

if they said they would do it as part of the update id ask them to verify it via the mini-service report, and this will show:

Plant Integration
Current Integration
Target Integration
With Plant Integration being the version it left the factory, Current Intergration is the version it currently has on (which should match your E89X-10-09-511, you might also find this is teh same as Plant Integration) and Target or Update Available will either be a higher level or say YES/NO. If NO then your on the highest (which is not true in your case) so yours will say YES.

If you didnt ask for it as part of a deal, then just mention you use D a bit and when you slow down and come to a stop (traffic etc) then press the pedal again before coming to a complete stop, say the gearbox is irratic to change and like a kangaroo before moving away.

But that might only get you the DCT update, you really want all modules updated (they basically plug it in to the computer and let it do its updates). in the UK we pay about £120 for this (guestimate at $180). But see if you can get it for free.

[Majin Buu]

So what is the benefit of updating the software? Is there a difference in power output or torque curve? Or is it just a case of throttle sensitivity and smoother idle? I have the manual so obviously DCT shift problems are not my concern.

[stevens]

the updates are usually to fix specific issues, but if your on a really old version then moving to 240E will bring benefits on its own. For the other modules e.g. bluetooth/CIC (satnav) etc then it brings new things like ability to pair to newer phones or fixes to album art/map updates etc. Engine wise its smoother operation.

Like everything any issue that is found is applied to the latest version, its also the version with all known issues fixed so just because you havent foudn an issue doesnt mean you wont have one in the future if your on an early version (of course you might not have an issue as well).

I just think of it as Windows updates, I might not use some of the things it updates, but at the same time I dont want something on my car that might break or could break incase it has a knock on effect.

[meyergru]

Originally Posted by stevens

For the other modules e.g. bluetooth/CIC (satnav) etc then it brings new things like ability to pair to newer phones or fixes to album art/map updates etc.

The pairing of current cell phones is a field upgrade that can be done by loading the files from here. No need for a software update at the dealer for that.

Album arts are only supported on the NBT (at least from a Gracenote DB), not on the CIC, but NBT is not available for the M3 E9x and never will be - except for custom retrofits. Album covers in ID3v2 tags of MP3 tracks cannot be "fixed".

Map updates are not included in a software update but have to be bought separately (dealers cannot give you that for free as they have to order a map FSC).

With a software update, you could only benefit from smoother DCT shifts, better engine software and the security update for theft protection.

[Majin Buu]

So there is no performance benefit to updating the software?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Majin Buu

So there is no performance benefit to updating the software?

I think you are wrong....check this out v v v
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=847261&page=4

[meyergru]

There may be a little performance benefit if your initial software is very old. Many people say that the 231E was the biggest increase performance-wise, but I cannot tell since I had that one from the start (build date 10/2011).

Initial criticism about many cars not reaching their advertised power was caused by the early ECU software weakness. But the 414hp claim was made in the first place because Audi claimed the same at that time. The development target was 400hp, which was what could be done by both the N54 and the S65 (which were the two alternatives BMW decided between for the M3). So, the 300hp rating for the N54 may be somewhat on the low side whereas the 414hp for the S65 may be somewhat too high.

The DCT improvements between 2011 and now are VERY noticeable, however.

[Majin Buu]

Interesting. I have a feeling i have one of the ancient versions. I will probably get an upgrade and get dyno readings to verify.

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by Majin Buu

Interesting. I have a feeling i have one of the ancient versions. I will probably get an upgrade and get dyno readings to verify.

Impossible to have an "ancient" version being a 2011. The only once I would consider "ancient" are from 2007/2008.

Edit, you're probably on 170E which isn't super old.

[Majin Buu]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

Impossible to have an "ancient" version being a 2011. The only once I would consider "ancient" are from 2007/2008.

Edit, you're probably on 170E which isn't super old.

Who said anything about 2011? My car is from 2008.

[mdosu]

I just upgraded from 80E to 240E. I noticed major improvement in low rpm throttle smoothness. I also noticed a 2 mpg improvement bump in highway driving. Imo, this update is a must

[Majin Buu]

Originally Posted by mdosu

I just upgraded from 80E to 240E. I noticed major improvement in low rpm throttle smoothness. I also noticed a 2 mpg improvement bump in highway driving. Imo, this update is a must

How much did it cost you? And is it just one version or do they have different versions depending on the equimpent of the car like nav/edc/satellite radio,etc?

[meyergru]

Originally Posted by Majin Buu

And is it just one version or do they have different versions depending on the equimpent of the car like nav/edc/satellite radio,etc?

Wrong question:

240E is just the ECU software. BMW has the so-called integration levels (like E89X-12-11-507) for each car series (E89X) that are inherent with the ISTA/P releases (like 2.48.0). These comprise all possible softwares for any electonic unit that can be employed in that car series.

BMW dealers can only update to the most-current ISTA/P release at any given time, so the update will always bring any unit on the car to the most current level.

[stevens]

but they can also target specific modules rather than "full" update e.g the security update to CAS (not sure if its just a UK thing) will show E89x-12-07-508 but only CAS will have been updated and rest of the modules including ECU will be as they were. so make sure you get a FULL update and ask for a print out to confirm

[meyergru]

No, they (i.e. BMW dealers) will not do an update for just a specific unit.

While that is possible, BMW dealers are not allowed to do it, because only the software versions contained in an integration level are tested to work together. Normally, they use only BMW-supplied software like ISTA/P which automatically builds an update plan to program all units that require an update to reach the target integration level.

Notwithstanding, depending on the old integration level this can mean that only a few (or even only one) unit(s) like CAS will get an update.