How much did you pay for your used M3?

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by Lt1camaro

Awesome interior. IMO this is what BMW should have offered instead of Bamboo, or at least offered this in addition to Bamboo.

[pimp4cheddar]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

Autolist, KBB car buying, Carfax car buying, autotempest, cargurus. Bmwusa.

Sadly - I've never heard of any of half these sites. I usually check Autotrader.com all day long. Thanks for the insight.

I'm going to get pretty active on my search for an E90 within the next month so I'll be checking all these sites hourly lol

[Flying Ace]

I can tell you what I sold my 08 E90 for in January 2018:

2008 E90 M3 SSII
6MT
2 Owner
Black interior, Carbon Leather trim
All options except for 19' wheels and alarm
64k Miles
26.75k

10-years of maintenance records included with blackstone reports.
Private transaction

If you want to get a sense what depreciation is like on this car, this was my purchase post on page 1 of this very thread, lol! :

Originally Posted by mdosu

I'll show you my hand

When purchased: 6/2010
Year and Model: 2008 E90 M3
Miles:9000
Options: every option under the sun except DCT, park distance, and 19 inch wheels (window was $67k)
Transmission: manual

$46k out the door (excluding taxes), cash, no trade

I estimate as of now, 10k miles E90 M3s should be trading in at around $45k and dealer only auction may be around $43-$44.
I think it's a great deal to pick up a used one today.

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I can tell you what I sold my 08 E90 for in January 2018:

2008 E90 M3 SSII
6MT
2 Owner
Black interior, Carbon Leather trim
All options except for 19' wheels and alarm
64k Miles
26.75k

10-years of maintenance records included with blackstone reports.
Private transaction

If you want to get a sense what depreciation is like on this car, this was my purchase post on page 1 of this very thread, lol! :

Good purchase and sale info!

You mentioned once you were going to sell your E70, have you tried listing that? Talk about massive depreciation! Depressing at how much mine has tanked in value since I bought it

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I can tell you what I sold my 08 E90 for in January 2018:

2008 E90 M3 SSII
6MT
2 Owner
Black interior, Carbon Leather trim
All options except for 19' wheels and alarm
64k Miles
26.75k

10-years of maintenance records included with blackstone reports.
Private transaction

If you want to get a sense what depreciation is like on this car, this was my purchase post on page 1 of this very thread, lol! :

Flying Ace is mdosu?

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by jiggz

Good purchase and sale info!

You mentioned once you were going to sell your E70, have you tried listing that? Talk about massive depreciation! Depressing at how much mine has tanked in value since I bought it

No, my warranty and maintenance plan is still good for 6 more months. Don't get me depressed, that car is worth much less than my M3.

But I need a SUV, so there's no way around this. Maybe a Toyota SUV depreciates the best. I'm probably going getting a F15 X5. Now those...wow, crazy depreciation, especially for 35i base models.

[Brownd3max]

Just bought (yesterday) a 2012 M3 E92 from the original owner. 6sp manual, CF roof, Mineral White, ZCW,ZCP,Z2P, carbon leather, 19" wheels w/ 295/30s in rear, 265/30s fronts. Has 81,00 miles (unfortunately?). Paid $24,500. My first BMW-fingers crossed! LOL!

[330ciprem]

Originally Posted by Brownd3max

Just bought (yesterday) a 2012 M3 E92 from the original owner. 6sp manual, CF roof, Mineral White, ZPP, ZCP, carbon leather, 19" wheels w/ 295/30s in rear, 245/30s fronts. Has 81,00 miles (unfortunately?). Paid $24,500. My first BMW-fingers crossed! LOL!

295 rears? Woah

Good price though.

Welcome

[eatsleepboost]

My purchase,

E92
11' Interlagos Blue, Bamboo interior
6mt
1 Owner, Retired Doctor
Always garaged and babied
34000 Miles
ZCP
Cold Weather
Comfort access
Sunroof
BONE STOCK
Came with a second set of wheels and snow tires.

Paid 34.5k

I feel great about the price as the car is mint. Purchased less than 6 months ago.

[Freiheit]

Your car without a sunroof is $44-46k here.
I'm noticing the sunroof cars are being offered up for $8-10k less than equivalent slicktop ZCPs in many markets. Could they really be that much of a value killer?

[obscurD]

Hey guys,

What do you think about the 2013 Limited Edition Frozen M3's? Especially the frozen red one?

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by obscurD

Hey guys,

What do you think about the 2013 Limited Edition Frozen M3's? Especially the frozen red one?

This is an excellent 2nd post for a forum member. And you earned your first appreciate. I would say we all would love to have that car. It's a bit pricier than most can afford. I'll let other comment on care for the paint ...

[obscurD]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

This is an excellent 2nd post for a forum member. And you earned your first appreciate. I would say we all would love to have that car. It's a bit pricier than most can afford. I'll let other comment on care for the paint ...

haha thank you !! I'm currently looking at one with 46k miles priced at 42k cad has one claim on carproof of $6500 front center.. it's been fully repaired but there is still that stigma of buying a "damaged car" I guess. that's my main concern. But it is a limited edition only 150 made in north america

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by obscurD

haha thank you !! I'm currently looking at one with 46k miles priced at 42k cad has one claim on carproof of $6500 front center.. it's been fully repaired but there is still that stigma of buying a "damaged car" I guess. that's my main concern. But it is a limited edition only 150 made in north america

Get that paint checked out and make sure BMW re painted it. An accident car is a whole other debate but some have spoken about shoddy frozen paint fixes.

[Ggeezer]

Originally Posted by obscurD

haha thank you !! I'm currently looking at one with 46k miles priced at 42k cad has one claim on carproof of $6500 front center.. it's been fully repaired but there is still that stigma of buying a "damaged car" I guess. that's my main concern. But it is a limited edition only 150 made in north america

Just FYI ... I know about the car you're looking at. It's been for sale for a looooong time (>1 year). It was at a dealership in Ottawa since probably 2016 and then made its way to Toronto at some point mid-2017 and been sitting there ever since.

I'm sure they'd be happy to get rid of it soon so you should be able to talk them down even more.

I used to own a Frozen Silver Edition car (that I'm still suffering seller's remorse from) which had a claim of $8,500 from a dent in the rear quarter panel. The issue with frozen painted cars is that it is much more labour intensive to paint them and ensure that the paint matches properly because you only get one shot at spraying the paint on and that's it. If there's dust that gets caught, either you're SOL or you gotta respray (and that costs money to the bodyshop).

The other issue is that blending is extremely difficult so in my case, even though the rear quarter (and door) were dented, the entire side of the car needed to be resprayed so that the paint blended smoothly with the hood and bumpers. Each frozen painted panel may have slight variances in the amount of matting agents in the paint so 2 frozen cars may not exactly have the same levels of "matte-ness" to them depending on the matting agents that were used in the "clear coat" when the car was initially painted at the factory.

In addition, there might be slight variance (even from the factory) with respect to how the frozen paints look because plastic painted panels (think bumper/side skirts) absorb and deflect light differently than metal painted panels. Even different curves and angles will deflect light differently. These variances from the factory may also be due to the fact that the plastic panels (from what I understand) are painted at a separate facility than the main body of the car.

Other reasons why labour is high:
1) paint booth needs to be completely free of dust and fine particles prior to painting to ensure that no contaminants get in the paint. This isn't as big of a problem for shiny cars because you can just polish them out after the panels are painted. Frozen panels can't be polished under any circumstances. If there is a defect, it requires respraying.

2) following from point 1), when the paint is left to dry, my body shop didn't turn on the fan so as not to circulate and/or introduce additional contaminants into the paint while it dried/cured. so the car was left in the booth over the weekend to bake without the fan running (this also costs the body shop additional electricity consumption).

3) it requires a skilled painter who knows and has been trained on matte/frozen paints to respray a frozen car. So you have to be sure that they're a reputable dealer and have the necessary skills to do it. Do your due diligence on the body shop.

In terms of paint care, I used Dr. Beasley's Matte Shampoo and Chemical Guys Matte Shampoo to wash the car and cleansed the paint using BMW's Matte Paint Cleaner and topped it off with BMW's special matte wax. The wax really made the paint pop and loved the look of the paint after it was applied.

This post was significantly longer than I anticipated but hopefully it'll shed some light on others who may have been curious about the process of fixing frozen paint.

[Freiheit]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

I would say we all would love to have that car.

No reds for me, frozen or otherwise.

The paint trends over the past few years have proven to be interesting, to say the least. Just a few years ago, someone who saw a matte paint job would have said, "I bet that'll look great after you get it buffed out", now its considered awesome as-is. I'm still on the fence about it (only cause my pants leg got caught on the barb wire). The vivid and shimmering colors offered now by BMW M are just jaw-droppers. Atlantis Blue and Sakhir Orange are two colors I could never have imagined on cars.
The one color that I just can't understand is the battleship grey that Dodge and others are putting out now. It looks like bondo with a clear coat.

[obscurD]

Originally Posted by Ggeezer

Just FYI ... I know about the car you're looking at. It's been for sale for a looooong time (>1 year). It was at a dealership in Ottawa since probably 2016 and then made its way to Toronto at some point mid-2017 and been sitting there ever since.

I'm sure they'd be happy to get rid of it soon so you should be able to talk them down even more.

I used to own a Frozen Silver Edition car (that I'm still suffering seller's remorse from) which had a claim of $8,500 from a dent in the rear quarter panel. The issue with frozen painted cars is that it is much more labour intensive to paint them and ensure that the paint matches properly because you only get one shot at spraying the paint on and that's it. If there's dust that gets caught, either you're SOL or you gotta respray (and that costs money to the bodyshop).

The other issue is that blending is extremely difficult so in my case, even though the rear quarter (and door) were dented, the entire side of the car needed to be resprayed so that the paint blended smoothly with the hood and bumpers. Each frozen painted panel may have slight variances in the amount of matting agents in the paint so 2 frozen cars may not exactly have the same levels of "matte-ness" to them depending on the matting agents that were used in the "clear coat" when the car was initially painted at the factory.

In addition, there might be slight variance (even from the factory) with respect to how the frozen paints look because plastic painted panels (think bumper/side skirts) absorb and deflect light differently than metal painted panels. Even different curves and angles will deflect light differently. These variances from the factory may also be due to the fact that the plastic panels (from what I understand) are painted at a separate facility than the main body of the car.

Other reasons why labour is high:
1) paint booth needs to be completely free of dust and fine particles prior to painting to ensure that no contaminants get in the paint. This isn't as big of a problem for shiny cars because you can just polish them out after the panels are painted. Frozen panels can't be polished under any circumstances. If there is a defect, it requires respraying.

2) following from point 1), when the paint is left to dry, my body shop didn't turn on the fan so as not to circulate and/or introduce additional contaminants into the paint while it dried/cured. so the car was left in the booth over the weekend to bake without the fan running (this also costs the body shop additional electricity consumption).

3) it requires a skilled painter who knows and has been trained on matte/frozen paints to respray a frozen car. So you have to be sure that they're a reputable dealer and have the necessary skills to do it. Do your due diligence on the body shop.

In terms of paint care, I used Dr. Beasley's Matte Shampoo and Chemical Guys Matte Shampoo to wash the car and cleansed the paint using BMW's Matte Paint Cleaner and topped it off with BMW's special matte wax. The wax really made the paint pop and loved the look of the paint after it was applied.

This post was significantly longer than I anticipated but hopefully it'll shed some light on others who may have been curious about the process of fixing frozen paint.

Wow thank you very much for all this info, got some thinking to do. Currently in contact with the dealership I’ll let you all know what happens.

[Ggeezer]

Originally Posted by obscurD

Wow thank you very much for all this info, got some thinking to do. Currently in contact with the dealership IÂ’ll let you all know what happens.

Let us know!

PM me if you have any more questions on frozen paint.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by Freiheit

Your car without a sunroof is $44-46k here.
I'm noticing the sunroof cars are being offered up for $8-10k less than equivalent slicktop ZCPs in many markets. Could they really be that much of a value killer?

I have not seen anything even remotely close to that much of a difference for sunroof vs CF. The $34.5k price you are commenting on is about average for that year/mileage regardless of roof. $44-46k is crazy high.

[Freiheit]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

I have not seen anything even remotely close to that much of a difference for sunroof vs CF. The $34.5k price you are commenting on is about average for that year/mileage regardless of roof. $44-46k is crazy high.

Yes it is, and thats why after 8 months of searching, I still don't have my E92.

[JustAnothaM4]

Paid 57k for my 2013 with 8k miles on it back in 2015...

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by Freiheit

Yes it is, and thats why after 8 months of searching, I still don't have my E92.

I've seen a lot of E92s with sunroof and it is an immediate NOPE from me when I run across those ones. Ive also noticed they sit unsold much longer but are typically priced about the same as CFRP roof from what I've seen.