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      03-25-2016, 11:41 AM   #1
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Super charged Ess 625kit VS FBO 335i

So the other day I was tagged in a post on instagram about a my car. The post was asking 335is vs m3 which would you rather have. of course being a supercharged m3 owner. I said m3 knowing what my particular car has accomplished since i've owned it. Of course others said 335i.

The discussion took a turn when three posters said how their fbo 335i on stock turbos walks sc m3s with out question it's not even a race. One of which being a claimed previous supercharged owner with a 650kit. which I have to take with a grain of salt as he also claimed a dct m3 wasn't geared correctly and rpms drop big time between 1-2 3-4, which I know to be BS as i've watch my own car in normal driving only move 600-700 between shifts and what looks to be1200 from wot.

Now I've had my share of runs at the roll race events we have down here and I ran in to a few on the hwy (disclaimer: do not condone street racing) And I've never had an issue during any run especially up top. I know I've ran quite a few with my c63 thats only tuned and after 3rd was dead even with claimed to be fbo 335is. My m3 currently makes almost 100whp more than my c63 at near 300lbs less.

So after 75 comments I am suppose to run two out of tampa florida at PBIR some time hopefully in the next month and a few single turbos 335is that say they can turn their car down to 530whp which they claim is enough to walk a 600whp m3.

What everyones opinion. I'm never a sore looser by any means there will always be someone faster but I can't wait to see this comparison. I know a FBO f80 didn't get away from my car an another I got up top so I;m baffled that a 335i owner claims this but hey maybe I've wrong and everyone I've run is slow.
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I've raced a couple FBO 335i's and beat them pretty easily.

Last I saw, the "world records" for the 335i on stock turbos was right at 500rw. And that's the best of the best. A couple dudes with FBO 335i's on pump gas are most likely not even close to that - probably mid low 400's but who knows. A typical Stage 2 supercharged kit on the M3 runs well over 500 at the wheels.

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Is this a joke? 335 stock turbo not even in the same universe as a 650 kit. Smaller upgraded turbos like the RB's still get walked. Only the very large turbo 335's can take us on.

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I used to go to a couple meets with mostly 335's and those idiots swore they drove the fastest cars on earth. Of course being salty that they can't afford M3's they have to make themselves feel better by saying their 335's can beat m3's. No doubt a tuned fbo 335 is impressive and can beat a m3 in a straight line, it doesn't hold a chance against a blown m3.
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      03-25-2016, 12:22 PM   #5
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FBO twin turbo 335i makes more torque and could get the jump on the SC M3 briefly but could not hang longer term. Single turbo 335i could beat SC M3. Lots of variations possible -- SC M3 6MT in the wrong gear at the wrong rpm, non intercooled SC M3, E85 335i 6466 single turbo running 30 psi, etc.
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Looking forward to the vids. It's the only way to put all the talk to rest! Good luck we're rooting for you.
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The guys running upgraded single turbo systems can beat a SC M3. Does it matter?
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Yep looking forward to your report Properstyle - Good luck!
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335i is a lot of bang for the buck in performance. You can buy one for $15k and put an $8k single turbo kit on it and make 700 rwhp with torque an SC M3 could only dream of. Dont knock them.
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335i is a lot of bang for the buck in performance. You can buy one for $15k and put an $8k single turbo kit on it and make 700 rwhp with torque an SC M3 could only dream of. Dont knock them.
Sure, but then you still have a shit car for straight runs only.

Yeah, I think a lot of this is sour grapes/confirmation bias (the former shouldn't even apply anymore since this is no longer a $70K car to purchase), the typical 335 FBO with a chip is not getting near a supercharged M3.
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Also would like to mention unless they are on slicks or drag radials they can't put much power down, rear fenders aren't wide enough to put a nice size tire back there and on top of this they don't even come with a limited slip diff so they will have fun spinning 1 wheel with all that torque down low. (had a 335i before and know the drill).
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This debate will never end. Shoot, I even debated with myself on 335is vs m3 for a while. Drove both and knew which one I wanted. I have a few friends with n54 (335 and 135) and some of them are slower than me, some faster. I respect their car for what it is and they respect mine for what it is. I'd be willing to bet though, all things aside, they would rather have an m3. In fact, I know the fastest one of them all who is doing like 600whp with a single turbo swap, wants an e92 m3.

For me, though, if I ever do decide to chase straight line speed, I'll make it easy on myself and go American or AMG.
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ESS VT2-625 M3 vs Single Turbo+Meth 335

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Stocks turbos, you should most definitely win. However, a small percentage of the upgraded turbo guys are now pushing 800whp+ on the stock block. I think the record right now for the N54 is 860whp+
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335i is a lot of bang for the buck in performance. You can buy one for $15k and put an $8k single turbo kit on it and make 700 rwhp with torque an SC M3 could only dream of. Dont knock them.
But as you know it's not that simple. Most of them frankly just cant run right or can't get the power to the ground. I've seen one out of a dozen (or more)that is really dialed in and that's the Harmin Motiv blue e92 that resides in Arizona. That car made 750 wheel and that car does 170 in the half mile. Most of large single turbo 335's making insane dyno power can barely hit 150's. I've watched it for years at the airstrip events.

I got a chance to run the Harmin Motiv 335i and it still took him to the end of the 1/2 mile before he could catch my M3. He had a good 10mph on me so he flew by.
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So the other day I was tagged in a post on instagram about a my car. The post was asking 335is vs m3 which would you rather have. of course being a supercharged m3 owner. I said m3 knowing what my particular car has accomplished since i've owned it. Of course others said 335i.

The discussion took a turn when three posters said how their fbo 335i on stock turbos walks sc m3s with out question it's not even a race. One of which being a claimed previous supercharged owner with a 650kit. which I have to take with a grain of salt as he also claimed a dct m3 wasn't geared correctly and rpms drop big time between 1-2 3-4, which I know to be BS as i've watch my own car in normal driving only move 600-700 between shifts and what looks to be1200 from wot.

Now I've had my share of runs at the roll race events we have down here and I ran in to a few on the hwy (disclaimer: do not condone street racing) And I've never had an issue during any run especially up top. I know I've ran quite a few with my c63 thats only tuned and after 3rd was dead even with claimed to be fbo 335is. My m3 currently makes almost 100whp more than my c63 at near 300lbs less.

So after 75 comments I am suppose to run two out of tampa florida at PBIR some time hopefully in the next month and a few single turbos 335is that say they can turn their car down to 530whp which they claim is enough to walk a 600whp m3.

What everyones opinion. I'm never a sore looser by any means there will always be someone faster but I can't wait to see this comparison. I know a FBO f80 didn't get away from my car an another I got up top so I;m baffled that a 335i owner claims this but hey maybe I've wrong and everyone I've run is slow.
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But as you know it's not that simple. Most of them frankly just cant run right or can't get the power to the ground. I've seen one out of a dozen (or more)that is really dialed in and that's the Harmin Motiv blue e92 that resides in Arizona. That car made 750 wheel and that car does 170 in the half mile. Most of large single turbo 335's making insane dyno power can barely hit 150's. I've watched it for years at the airstrip events.

I got a chance to run the Harmin Motiv 335i and it still took him to the end of the 1/2 mile before he could catch my M3. He had a good 10mph on me so he flew by.
This. Most of the High HP cars we all see boasting Dyno sheets are just dyno queens. Their purpose is to put numbers down on a dyno. Not slips and absolutely not lap times.
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There are many bolt on twin turbo kits from pure and Vargas that quality as full bolt ons and making over 630whp

I have both, e92 m3 and e92 Alpina b3 Biturbo ( 335 based ) and will pull the trigger on either the pure stage 2 twin turbos or the Vargas twin turbos, both making over 600. So let's see how this goes with the supercharged m3s.
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There are many bolt on twin turbo kits from pure and Vargas that quality as full bolt ons and making over 630whp

I have both, e92 m3 and e92 Alpina b3 Biturbo ( 335 based ) and will pull the trigger on either the pure stage 2 twin turbos or the Vargas twin turbos, both making over 600. So let's see how this goes with the supercharged m3s.
Ok here you go. ESS M3 vs Pure Turbo Shop Car which made up to 700 wheel but they estimated 600 wheel for this event:

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@Longboarder - you are correct in that a 335 does not have the correct suspension to put the power down (LSD).

This debate is timeless.

I've owned a tuned N54 with other goodies....now have a S/C M3. The 335 is a great stop light to stop light car....but it lacks in so many other areas when pushed at higher speeds.

I always reply to smart ass comments in these type conversations, 'I can't wait to trade my M3 for a 335....said no one ever!'
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There are many bolt on twin turbo kits from pure and Vargas that quality as full bolt ons and making over 630whp

I have both, e92 m3 and e92 Alpina b3 Biturbo ( 335 based ) and will pull the trigger on either the pure stage 2 twin turbos or the Vargas twin turbos, both making over 600. So let's see how this goes with the supercharged m3s.
Ok here you go. ESS M3 vs Pure Turbo Shop Car which made up to 700 wheel but they estimated 600 wheel for this event:

I've seen that. Made me happy knowing if I supercharge my m3 I'll be able to beat an upgraded turbos m4, but I'm guessing companies are still learning on how to make more power with the m4 because I've seen 335s run so much harder than this m4. But needless to say, it's still silly to argue which is a better car as we all know the m3 is the well rounded sports car here. But it all runs down to how much money put on performance that will make the car a better straight line performer. Speaking majority wise, an ESS 625 or 650 will beat most 335s but there will be those few 335 that will trash the 650. Life goes on
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I think I would trust the 335 on a single turbo swap more than I would a SC m3...
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