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VERDICT: The new M3 wins because of the combination of performance, great engine and the best daily usability. BMW made a family car that's also a super car. R8 ranks second due to high price and little space, but R8's performance thrills... Best regards, south |
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09-06-2007, 10:01 AM | #48 |
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What a shame. Was there any reference to Cups, or explanation as to why they were fitted in the article itself?
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09-06-2007, 11:06 AM | #50 |
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so here a scan from the times.
Yes time was achieved on cup+ tyres, and in the articel the speak about a time from 15,7 up to 200, so the 15,2 might be wrong. disapointing in a way the use cup tyres to achieved goog handling times. See you |
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09-06-2007, 11:49 AM | #52 |
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Let's be fair
OK Cups are Cups.
Let's all be fair about posting this other places, talking it up really big, or misrepresenting the data as from a stock vehicle. Just like the wonderful 8:09 ring time from the RS4 on special tires all of the good results here should be quoted with a clear disclaimer about the tires. Shame on the magazine - what a terrible "apples vs. oranges" test. |
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*calming down* OK, let's be fair... Best regards, south |
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No need to stoop down to their level. Just be sensible about things.
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I'm not sure what to make of the whole cup tyre issue, other than it seems very disingenuous to use special race rubber on one car and not the others. However, if those acceleration times are accurate, it shows that the M3 gradually reels in the R8 and C6 once it gets traction.
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I was very disappointed when I read those Marbella reviews, the new M3 got many negative reviews but lately I have warm up on the M3 but again I'm getting disappointed. Its a disaster after disaster.
Sigh! If BMW doesnt offer these tires then the car shouldnt be tested with it. BMW finally understand that the new M3 isnt delievering? and in panic they are offering divine tires when the M3 is going to be compared to others. Sigh! |
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09-06-2007, 12:58 PM | #58 |
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It is kind of stupid to put track tires on one car and not the others. (I assume that is BMW's doing.) Why even proceed with the test? At least they documented it. Regardless, on a speculative note, how much impact do people think that has had on the various numbers?
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C6 was an 07 likely not a Z-51
The 08 has a 6.2 liter and a Z-51 uses Supercar tires.
It would be interesting to find out about the tires
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Slalom comparison
Here's a quick 18m slalom comparison featuring sport tires. All I could find for the moment:
R8 : 68.6 km/h (Corsa) RS4: 68.9 km/h (Corsa) M3: 70.4 km/h (Cup) 997 Turbo: 71.3 km/h (Cup) 997 GT3: 71.8 km/h (Cup) I know, that 18m slalom is only one point of performance... Best regards, south |
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Is it the fact that BMW is providing the cars this way or is the testing mag putting the tires on?
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09-06-2007, 01:22 PM | #63 |
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Now I wonder whether the M3 tested by Autocar in its M3 v. RS4 comparison was fitted with sport tires. The test data page refers to Pilot Sport tires, but Cups would explain why the M3 did so poorly on the wet handling course.
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09-06-2007, 01:45 PM | #65 |
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I guess it is not clear who put the tires on exactly, but I think it is reasonable to assume that it could not have happened without BMW's approval since the car isn't available for purchase yet and must be BMW supplied.
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09-06-2007, 01:52 PM | #66 |
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Yes, definately BMW supplied. However, that doesn't keep someone from changing the tires. Just would be interested to know...
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