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[H Bomb]

for the guys that have the VMR wheels how do you like them?? are they lighter then stock 19's??

i am looking into getting the VMR V710 wheel and any feedback would be greatly appreciated

thanks in advance

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[ecksreturns]

Excellent rims! Don't know their weight in relation to the OEM 19's but they look really nice.

[david @ eas]

The V710s Wheels from VMR will be about 26-27lbs.

So far all the guys who have purchased these wheels seem to absolutely love them. We loved them so much, we had them on our car for quite some time

[Lemans_Blue_M]

VMR wheels are gravity cast, so the overall weight (assuming the same wheel widths and close offset values) will be higher than the OEM Forged 19's.

[335ICoupe]

I will let you know as soon as mine arrive! I track my car so I will put them to the test ;-)

[H Bomb]

very interested in how they handle compared to stock if you can feel much difference. thanks

Originally Posted by 335ICoupe

I will let you know as soon as mine arrive! I track my car so I will put them to the test ;-)

[H Bomb]

yeah that would make the rear near oem and the front a bit heavier. they do look killer though. thanks again for all your help and info

Originally Posted by jurrian @ eas

The V710s Wheels from VMR will be about 26-27lbs.

So far all the guys who have purchased these wheels seem to absolutely love them. We loved them so much, we had them on our car for quite some time

[SUB-ZERO]

They may look better but I don't think they offer any improvement over factory forged 19"s other than more grip if you get a wider/tire rim combo.

Honestly, if you want a better wheel than the 24lb stock forged, you will need to look at HRE territory (or comparable forged wheel). However, if you look at the weights, even the HREs are not much lighter; I don't even think the BBS LM are lighter.

I would rather do some suspension, intake, and chip upgrades rather than changing out the factory forged wheels....or even a nice exhaust.

-SZ

[MMMorish]

Originally Posted by SUB-ZERO

They may look better but I don't think they offer any improvement over factory forged 19"s other than more grip if you get a wider/tire rim combo.

Honestly, if you want a better wheel than the 24lb stock forged, you will need to look at HRE territory (or comparable forged wheel). However, if you look at the weights, even the HREs are not much lighter; I don't even think the BBS LM are lighter.

I would rather do some suspension, intake, and chip upgrades rather than changing out the factory forged wheels....or even a nice exhaust.

-SZ

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[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by SUB-ZERO

They may look better but I don't think they offer any improvement over factory forged 19"s other than more grip if you get a wider/tire rim combo.

Honestly, if you want a better wheel than the 24lb stock forged, you will need to look at HRE territory (or comparable forged wheel). However, if you look at the weights, even the HREs are not much lighter; I don't even think the BBS LM are lighter.

I would rather do some suspension, intake, and chip upgrades rather than changing out the factory forged wheels....or even a nice exhaust.

-SZ

The overall weight of any aftermarket wheel is predicated on the type of manufacturing technique and materials used.

The higher you go up the 'food chain' in regards to the wheel manufacturing...the more weight you can effectively shave off. (without suffering a structural failure under load)

Similar wheel weights may not aways tell you the whole story. Many wheel brands will have similar front/rear weights in the same widths, but that can be a bit misleading. One wheel may be much stronger due to the superior manufacturing or raw material used to make the wheel in the first place.

Design and engineering also play a pivotal role, but that's a mixed bag. It can help or hurt the overall strength of the wheel. That ultimately depends on WHO made those crucial decisions.

[Victory Road]

VMR wheels are for those guys on a budget. They are heavy gravity cast wheels. They look great, but will bend easier and weigh more than a high quality wheel. Remember even 1 lbs weight savings per wheel can make a noticeable difference.

Switching them out for the stock 19's is a bit illogical in my opinion

[crimsone90]

Originally Posted by jurrian @ eas

The V710s Wheels from VMR will be about 26-27lbs.

So far all the guys who have purchased these wheels seem to absolutely love them. We loved them so much, we had them on our car for quite some time

You are an exclusive VMR dealer. Your opinion will always be biased and not reliable. I don't think the people in the thread below absolutely love them:

Quality of Velocity Motoring CSL wheels?
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111309

[crimsone90]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

The overall weight of any aftermarket wheel is predicated on the type of manufacturing technique and materials used.

The higher you go up the 'food chain' in regards to the wheel manufacturing...the more weight you can effectively shave off. (without suffering a structural failure under load)

Similar wheel weights may not aways tell you the whole story. Many wheel brands will have similar front/rear weights in the same widths, but that can be a bit misleading. One wheel may be much stronger due to the superior manufacturing or raw material used to make the wheel in the first place.

Design and engineering also play a pivotal role, but that's a mixed bag. It can help or hurt the overall strength of the wheel. That ultimately depends on WHO made those crucial decisions.

Correct

Originally Posted by frank@wheelsto

VMR wheels are for those guys on a budget. They are heavy gravity cast wheels. They look great, but will bend easier and weigh more than a high quality wheel. Remember even 1 lbs weight savings per wheel can make a noticeable difference.

Switching them out for the stock 19's is a bit illogical in my opinion

I agree that switching to a gravity cast wheel is illogical but switching to a forged wheel doesn't mean is better. Even the HRE P40 weights about 25-27lbs each. I don't recommend downgrading to gravity cast but switching to a comparable low-pressure cast or forged wheel will help maintain the same quality of strength.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by SUB-ZERO

Honestly, if you want a better wheel than the 24lb stock forged, you will need to look at HRE territory (or comparable forged wheel). However, if you look at the weights, even the HREs are not much lighter; I don't even think the BBS LM are lighter

-SZ

HRE are not lighter either, like you said.

Basically you will buy the P40's for the look, rather than a performance advantage.

19 inch P40

[Victory Road]

Originally Posted by crimsone90

Correct



I agree that switching to a gravity cast wheel is illogical but switching to a forged wheel doesn't mean is better. Even the HRE P40 weights about 25-27lbs each. I don't recommend downgrading to gravity cast but switching to a comparable low-pressure cast or forged wheel will help maintain the same quality of strength.

HRE P40 in 19" weighs less than 25lbs...18" VMR weighs over 25 lbs. HRE is also a much stronger wheel. Having said that, HRE isn't my choice brand either.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

The higher you go up the 'food chain' in regards to the wheel manufacturing...the more weight you can effectively shave off. (without suffering a structural failure under load)

Not really.

HRE's cost a lot more than Volks or Advan wheels.

But Volks and Advans weigh a lot less than HRE wheels.

I still consider HRE a bit of a "bling" wheel. They really have no motorsports background. The C90 are the only HRE's that are actually light.

[isugoo]

For look,
it's good idea. Really wheels alone change whole main look of the car.

For performance,
it's bad idea. It's lower quality, heavier wheels than OEM 19s.
If you buy a used set of 19s that comes with great condition PS2 + TPMS, it's going to be cheaper than V710 + TPMS + PS2 setup.

Nothing is right or wrong. It's just a matter of what you're trying to archive from the set of wheels.

[crimsone90]

Originally Posted by frank@wheelsto

HRE P40 in 19" weighs less than 25lbs...18" VMR weighs over 25 lbs. HRE is also a much stronger wheel. Having said that, HRE isn't my choice brand either.

HREs weight about 25lb F and 27lb rear. Not light at all. Stronger than VMR no doubt. You cannot compare a $5k wheel to $1K wheel. If you want light wheels for your M get a set new RAC RG63, Volk TE37, even the Advan RS or you can go rare with a set of NEEZ QD7 or MORR VS8. These are the only wheels worth buying. Quality forging, properly designed, certified, and very light weight at about 22lbs or less.

Nowadays a machined block of aluminum is called a wheel. Sad.

[crimsone90]

Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

Not really.

HRE's cost a lot more than Volks or Advan wheels.

But Volks and Advans weigh a lot less than HRE wheels.

I still consider HRE a bit of a "bling" wheel. They really have no motorsports background. The C90 are the only HRE's that are actually light.

Here is referring to wheel manufacturing. Meaning Gravity Casting --> Low-Pressure casting --> Flow-formed cast ---> Hot Forging ---> Cold Forging ---> Net Forging.

The higher you go the "the more weight you can effectively shave off". He is not talking about wheel prices.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by isugoo

For look,
it's good idea. Really wheels alone change whole main look of the car.

For performance,
it's bad idea. It's lower quality, heavier wheels than OEM 19s.
If you buy a used set of 19s that comes with great condition PS2 + TPMS, it's going to be cheaper than V710 + TPMS + PS2 setup.

Nothing is right or wrong. It's just a matter of what you're trying to archive from the set of wheels.

I wouldn't go track a car with VMR wheels, but for street use they are absolutely fine.

I am on the side of people who think the stock 19's look terrible. I wish the 18's where the 19's.

I would rather have a set of 19 inch VMR's than some of these giant 20 inch HRE's, 360 Forged, DPE, wheel setups people have. Boat anchors.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by crimsone90

HREs weight about 25lb F and 27lb rear. Not light at all. Stronger than VMR no doubt. You cannot compare a $5k wheel to $1K wheel. If you want light wheels for your M get a set new RAC RG63, Volk TE37, even the Advan RS or you can go rare with a set of NEEZ QD7 or MORR VS8. These are the only wheels worth buying. Quality forging, properly designed, certified, and very light weight at about 22lbs or less.

Nowadays a machined block of aluminum is called a wheel. Sad.

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[Victory Road]

Originally Posted by crimsone90

HREs weight about 25lb F and 27lb rear.

See post above. Your wheel weights are for 20". If your buying 20" weight isn't really a concern anyways.