PowerChip VS ESS (NA TUNE)

xxe92xx · 02-11-2010, 10:48 PM

This thread is directed to people:
-who are looking into getting a software tune
-who are running the PowerChip tune
-who are running the ESS tune
-who switched from PowerChip to ESS or ESS to PowerChip

Please explain why you chose either brand, what you currently have, positives and negatives and if you switched why?

Nawaaz · 02-11-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by xxe92xx

hmm...

Aha! Now I know what you were pondering with your response on the other thread.

BPMSport · 02-11-2010, 11:04 PM

We're happy to go head to head with ESS at any time at an independant dyno.

My M3 was one of the first US spec M3's to be tuned by ESS. I like the PC software more --It rips to redline much harder. We've tuned over 100 M3's with great success, but there are lot of happy people with ESS software too

powertrip · 02-11-2010, 11:11 PM

This is probably going to turn into a fanboi thread. With that said, I've been running the Powerchip tune for 5500 miles with zero problems. Car runs perfect, puts down great numbers on the dyno, and has never had any codes pop up.

FStop7 · 02-11-2010, 11:48 PM

this thread is begging to become a flamewar

i fully condone it

biglare · 02-12-2010, 12:49 AM

Here we go

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BPMSport · 02-12-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FStop7

this thread is begging to become a flamewar

i fully condone it

Be nice, kids!

The last thing we need is another flamewar..

endofanera7 · 02-12-2010, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip

We're happy to go head to head with ESS at any time at an independant dyno.

My M3 was one of the first US spec M3's to be tuned by ESS. I like the PC software more --It rips to redline much harder. We've tuned over 100 M3's with great success, but there are lot of happy people with ESS software too

Is there an official Powerchip Shop or Office? Do you guys provide dynos before and after to see the results?

sales@ESSTuning · 02-12-2010, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip

We're happy to go head to head with ESS at any time at an independant dyno.

My M3 was one of the first US spec M3's to be tuned by ESS. I like the PC software more --It rips to redline much harder. We've tuned over 100 M3's with great success, but there are lot of happy people with ESS software too

To be fair Mike you know you were running a basic beta test file that AJ made to test out in your car almost 2 years ago. That file was designed to simply test compatability with the US spec operating system. When you compare it to your current tune you should keep that in mind. That test file is nothing like the current production file we offer today.

Your car was not one of the first US E9X M3's AJ tuned it was the first and also most likely the first aftermarket tuned M3 in the US at the time

AJ tested and fine tuned the M3 software for a full year after that test file before releasing it.

LV-E92M3 · 02-12-2010, 04:15 AM

dct software is very difficult to develope I wonder other software works like ess tune.

MrHarris · 02-12-2010, 05:44 AM

Honestly I'm sure both you can't go wrong really. Both have experienced people who know how to tune our cars.

BPMSport · 02-12-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rom3n

To be fair Mike you know you were running a basic beta test file that AJ made to test out in your car almost 2 years ago. That file was designed to simply test compatability with the US spec operating system. When you compare it to your current tune you should keep that in mind. That test file is nothing like the current production file we offer today.

Your car was not one of the first US E9X M3's AJ tuned it was the first and also most likely the first aftermarket tuned M3 in the US at the time

AJ tested and fine tuned the M3 software for a full year after that test file before releasing it.

xxe92xx · 02-12-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nawaaz

Aha! Now I know what you were pondering with your response on the other thread.

just trying to gather all experiences with both tunes in one thread

srobmw · 02-12-2010, 03:57 PM

I'm lovin' the Powerchip tune.

The guys there are great to deal with.

I can't put it any simpler than that.

BPMSport · 02-12-2010, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endofanera7

Is there an official Powerchip Shop or Office? Do you guys provide dynos before and after to see the results?

Our office is located in Costa Mesa, CA.

We have dyno charts of before/after tune with a number of different modifications that I can provide at your request.

Thanks

BPMSport · 02-12-2010, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip

Our office is located in Costa Mesa, CA.

We have dyno charts of before/after tune with a number of different modifications that I can provide at your request.

Thanks

Rom3n: Are you guys willing to go head to head with us to see which software makes more power? At an independent facility of course. Please let me know!

sales@ESSTuning · 02-12-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@Powerchip

Rom3n: Are you guys willing to go head to head with us to see which software makes more power? At an independent facility of course. Please let me know!

Sure

It would be nice to compare AFR's and other info during testing. It would also be best to run both versions of software on the same stock car so fuel, mods etc wont factor into the numbers. If you would like to fly out we can arrange the dyno and supply a bone stock car for testing.

Feel free to email me when your ready

xxe92xx · 02-12-2010, 05:07 PM

DoNDoN · 02-12-2010, 05:12 PM

This is going to be great. I look forward in seeing the outcome.

05SCM33 · 02-12-2010, 05:16 PM

Cool beans!

Three points, first I agree with PG that the comparo would be meaningless without specific product and testing parameters. Second, I predict the comparo results will be quite close or very similar. Third, I applaud ESS and PowerChip for stepping for some professional and friendly competition!

m33 · 02-12-2010, 05:20 PM

Now this is very ineresting !!!
All colective DATA is a must in this comparison , I wanna see what's safe and not so safe ...
I had a tune from a company which I will leave out so don't ask, that had limp tourq limit reached and rich codes , felt powerfull but wasn't safe so I ended up ditching it and going supercharged ........

Mr.Bimmer · 02-12-2010, 05:40 PM

Powerchips: I live 5 min's from Costa Mesa and am %100 bone stock. Let me be the Powerchip tester

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