Rod Bearings are done.

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 02:22 PM

Okay here's my issue. After reading several treads and starting to feel my engine getting rough. I started to really look into the rod bearing issues. So I decided to get my rod bearings done over at Alekshop. Got to say the guys there are really helpful and very knowledgeable. I opt using for WPC treated bearings and the rest all OEM. My engine was already making a ticking sound. Also my copper count on my Blackstone oil readout was high. Here's a look at the bearings. My engine feels smoother throughout the high RPM range and a ticking sound is gone. It also runs 20 cooler. I got to say this is a true issue for the S65. I have 80K miles. I do daily drive my car and track it 5 to 6 times a year. I don't think this issue is related to track or not, just daily driving affects this engine. Feel free to ask any questions and I hope this helps out the form.

kawasaki00 · 08-19-2014, 02:28 PM

W/// · 08-19-2014, 02:31 PM

Yikes. What copper PPM did you see?

I just passed 80k myself, but got pretty good reading thankfully.

BrewRifle · 08-19-2014, 02:33 PM

Was the prior ticking noise very rhythmic or kind of random sounding and did it increase when slowly adding throttle?

What oil did you run prior and are you still running the same after getting the bearings swapped?

///M Power-Belgium · 08-19-2014, 02:35 PM

For a car with 80K on it the bearings look bad,but not too bad ! Actualy saw worse with less on it !
But need to say if you heard the ticking sound and you are planning to keep the car ,the WPC's are the right choise !
Hope that your car is ready now for another 80K

Also whats makes me think more and more....still need to see the first Euro/bearing failure !
Thanks for sharing

blackmist222777 · 08-19-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tlrid3r

Okay here's my issue. After reading several treads and starting to feel my engine getting rough. I started to really look into the rod bearing issues. So I decided to get my rod bearings done over at Alekshop. Got to say the guys there are really helpful and very knowledgeable. I opted out for WPC treated bearings and the rest all OEM. My engine was already making a ticking sound. Also my copper account on my Blackstone oil readout was high. Here's a look at the bearings. My engine feels smoother throughout the high RPM range and a ticking sound is gone. It also runs 20° cooler. I got to say this is a true issue for the S65. I have 80K miles. I do daily drive my car and track it 5 to 6 times a year. I don't think this issue is related to track or not, just daily driving affects this engine. Feel free to ask any questions and I hope this helps out the form.

About how much did a service like this cost?

0-60Motorsports · 08-19-2014, 02:42 PM

Ouch. Glad your car is ok and back on the road.

thetastelingers · 08-19-2014, 02:51 PM

I have a couple of questions.

Did they just remove and replace, or did they do any measuring on the crank rod journals?

Is there only one size of bearing that is available?

Do you know any torque specs on the rods?

Thanks.

Shredicus · 08-19-2014, 02:52 PM

Just out of curiosity how fastidious were you about letting the oil get to temp before hard driving?

Obioban · 08-19-2014, 03:03 PM

Looks like you caught those just in time!

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by W///

Yikes. What copper PPM did you see?

I just passed 80k myself, but got pretty good reading thankfully.

I forget off my head. I have the paper at home I'll post it later

gatorfast · 08-19-2014, 03:06 PM

Wow those look terrible! In pic #4, is that shell pitted??

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewRifle

Was the prior ticking noise very rhythmic or kind of random sounding and did it increase when slowly adding throttle?

What oil did you run prior and are you still running the same after getting the bearings swapped?

Mostly at idle and on throttle around 2.5k rpm but quite another time.

I always use TWS 10w60. But the last 10k I used motul v300 10w40 with a bottle of redline zinc additive.

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thetastelingers

I have a couple of questions.

Did they just remove and replace, or did they do any measuring on the crank rod journals?

Is there only one size of bearing that is available?

Do you know any torque specs on the rods?

Thanks.

The shop handled it all. Sorry I was there just a little bit. The now feels good.

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shredicus

Just out of curiosity how fastidious were you about letting the oil get to temp before hard driving?

Im comparing to just normal driving. My drive to work which is like 45 miles car would run just a hair above 210. Just same drive and I've done it multiple day it's a bit below 210. On the other side of the mark.

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Obioban

Looks like you caught those just in time!

I truly believe I was on borrowed life given the fact I just finished a hot track day here in Cali

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Wow those look terrible! In pic #4, is that shell pitted??

Yup it's like material missing

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:26 PM

This is after 45 miles of drive. Before it would about the same but on the other side of the mark

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:28 PM

Pic

BrewRifle · 08-19-2014, 03:32 PM

That is a huge change in oil temperature. I wonder why this would affect it so much?

Longboarder · 08-19-2014, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrewRifle

That is a huge change in oil temperature. I wonder why this would affect it so much?

Bad rod bearings cause excess heat/oil temps.

tlrid3r · 08-19-2014, 03:53 PM

I also moved to a 5w40 Pennzoil euro ultra.

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