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06-07-2014, 09:39 AM | #69 |
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Video says its 535whp when you open it up in youtube... 15% drivetrain puts it 630-650crank
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I am far from saying the Z06 is only about power. This is going to be a supercar, and will be able to grip and feel much better tracking in the right hands. I am saying people should respect it and admire the output of this car. But i wouldn't have the attitude where the Z06 is the best car for performance and everyone needs to jump ships right away. I feel many people are having "GTR syndrome" where they read about the cars performance numbers and wanting the car biased off that. i will be honest, i also suffer from this syndrome at times. |
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06-07-2014, 12:47 PM | #71 | |
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I remember my friend was telling me, "i am starting to see vettes more and more". They are becoming a "dime a dozen car". "You dont want that car. " |
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06-07-2014, 03:01 PM | #72 | |
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I don't want to speak for everyone, given that this is solely my opinion and we are all entitled to one, but for the most part it can be said that the average M3 driver could be driving a C6 Z06 if s/he wanted to. |
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06-07-2014, 09:32 PM | #73 |
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I really don't see how the LT4 is considered to be a low-tech lazy engine. It still incorporates direct injection, cylinder deactivation, VVT, dry sump oiling with variable pressure oil pump, a TVS S/C that has been further developed than what Audi and Jaguar have done with it, and is only one inch taller than the LT1.
You guys keep talking about the large displacement but fail to realize that the engine itself is still relatively small and light especially considering its power output. For the modding types, we've already seen the LT1 eclipse 1000whp on the stock block. The bottom end of this engine should be extremely stout. GM will have something for the M3 crowd with the ATS-V, the Corvette moved out of the M3's performance league awhile ago. And judging by the ATS' reviews so far, the V should be a great drive. Last edited by See5; 06-07-2014 at 09:38 PM.. |
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06-07-2014, 10:42 PM | #75 | |
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I commented that the Corvette dusts M3, stock to stock, $ for $ , Mod for mod...no contest. Then someone put a video up trying to point out that the M3 supercharged kept up with a Vette with 700 HP. However, if you watch the video you find that the Vette pulls hard on the M3 the whole way...and we then uncover that the Vette is not even supercharged, has minimal mods, and at the crank is ...NOT 700 HP. The real HP is not really relevant to the reason the video was posted because if the Z06 dropped in a supercharger ike the M3 in the video it would be an even bigger smoke down which was my point initially. So we go full circle back to the truth again...from a performance stand point: Corvette > M3. Proven in quarter mile tests, and track tests. Don't get me wrong I am not saying the Vette is a better car than the M3. I sold my Corvette for the M3 and the reason I sold it , can be best summarized by a reviewer I remember hearing. He stated something along these lines: The M3 is not the best in any category, but is second in every category and no other car is that good...making it the one car that can do everything... Last edited by M3-S65; 06-07-2014 at 11:17 PM.. |
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06-08-2014, 01:12 AM | #76 | |
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a engine being called lazy has nothing to do with how much power or how much tech the motor has in it. just listen to a E92 M3 V8 its really wants to rev and works hard for its power. IS one better than the other ? NO its just a different style of motors. A lot of those exotics use more of a S65 stye of motor. yet this Z06 will be faster or just as fast as some of them. SO a lazy motor doesn't mean slow either. |
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06-08-2014, 11:26 PM | #77 | |
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Chevrolet has one thing in mind, beat the competition. You are very right in the mindset that an engineer has but we are also able to respect the accomplishments of others despite the path taken. You may not agree with the way chevrolet and the corvette team has gone about their goal but I for one respect the accomplishments that they have achieved. |
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there goal is more so, world class performance at a somewhat affordable price. |
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Mmmmmmm....I'd say the GT-R a direct competitor.
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Reading this thread, I could swear some of you guys get your auto knowledge from scribble written in a bathroom stall. I hope real life is much different for some of you.
Yes, the new C7 Z06 is going to be mighty impressive. Why shouldn't it be? It's designed as a sports car, where they're not catering to extra passengers. I can't wait to see comparisons against other 2-seaters.
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It's not a question of if, just a question of when your throttle actuators will let go. That said, the Z06 is not necessarily more reliable at all. Plenty of stories of broken down cars with the C6 generation, and with the C7 being more complex...
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This. BMW drivers period are overall a very insecure bunch.
LOL @ bragging about a usable back seat and a more comfy interior. I can count on 1 hand in the years ive had my E92 that someone has actually sat in the back seat. The car still looks brand new back there. I never liked Vettes and even I can admit the new Z06 is a game changer and I would be first in line to get one. |
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Well, having owned an M3, a 335, and a C6 Z06 I can understand both sides of the argument. From a historical and engineering perspective, I would have been a lot more impressed with a C7 Z06 with a 3100 lb curb weight, an improved LS7 derivative making say 560 hp (NA), a 7200 RPM redline, and better materials and build quality. When you start digging into what they actually engineered there are some pretty significant compromises that conflict with what a Z06 has typically stood for. There's a heavier drive shaft to handle vibrations that occur when the AFM engages. The frame is thicker/heavier to enable the removable roof and convertible model. So it does kind of seem like they engineered the car with a "slap a supercharger on it" mentality to compensate for features [weight] that only a fraction of owners are going to care about. Now on the flip side, I REALLY like Corvettes, especially the C6 Z06. What makes it so special is that it's more than the sum of its parts. Its specs (excluding performance numbers) are much closer to the base models than ZR1. But its performance is much closer to the ZR1. THAT is incredible engineering. Now in comparison to DOHC engines, smaller displacement with FI, etc., it took some time for me to learn this, but they are all means to the same end. One could argue that the GT-R engine is much more sophisticated, but in the end all that fancy technology does is just add in more air and fuel, to make comparable power.
The new Z06 probably should have been the new ZR1. But that's just my opinion. A lot of people are really amazed by the new car and who am I to rain on their parade? P.S. they clearly did outstanding jobs with a lot of items though. Interior is a huge step forward. Aerodynamics and styling are incredible. Last edited by highrevs; 06-10-2014 at 10:29 AM.. |
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