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The Boss 302 has proven to be a very good car from a performance standpoint. And hey, if you can stand to sit in that pile of cheap plastic with those god awful gauges and ugly ass dashboard, then go for it. Oh yeah, just close your eyes when you walk around the ass end of that thing as well. Good god the reaar of that car is hideous.
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As far as the same driver, different car argument. Every driver has different preference on how the car is setup/ behaves. Different drivers are faster in different cars. Know what I mean? In the end, all that matters is what you can do with the car which is why my point of view is so relevant. |
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The advantage of M3 is that it is pretty good on both ease of driving and communication dimensions, so you can get close to full potential of the car in few sessions. In Corvette, for example, same driver would need much more practice time to be fast, but would be faster in the end. For amateurs who are limited to <20 days a year, the car that's the easiest to drive and communicates the best would consistently be faster in real life. Another thing is that we never drive one lap. With closely-matched cars, it takes 5 or more laps to pass someone. And in those conditions consistency matters as much as one-lap speed. Whichever car provokes fewer mistakes and whichever stays more consistent over time in terms of engine power, brake feel, tire temperature etc. wins. Case in point - my fastest laps with stock brakes and Alcons are the same, but with stock brakes average lap times were noticeably worse, and I could not push for more than 15 mins without cooldown. So obviously the car with Alcon BBK would be faster in real life, but the best lap time would not tell that story. Just to provide background - I am not M3 fanboy or have any attachment to it. I like the car, but I only got it because of the rear seats, and now I am bored with it a bit and considering either building a track car or putting a deposing on the next GT3. |
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Confidence is a huge factor for an amateur like me. After dropping 230 lbs worth of instructor during day 2, my laps were not necessarily any faster due to the weight loss. Being alone in the car on track with traffic and a huge disparity of speeds, definitely made me be a little more cautious. A communicative and forgiving car like the M3 is golden for someone like me. But by all accounts, the Boss seems to be a good drivers car. I too would like to sample one on track, or on my secret test facility in Mexico.
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Would have to agree with all these comments as they reflect my personal experience. There are countless "faster" cars on track than my M but I am consistent and relentless and the car allows me that freedom. The M is a very easy car to drive fast and think that's where the true difference lies. Have driven a few cars on track now (miata, stang, lambo, Porsche) and would take my car over all as its just an easier car for me to go fast in while I could tell the others would be faster, but just a lot more work to get there. Once again these are all really fast cars, and it really is driver dependent, just think the M let's the worse driver look the best as its very forgiving and I definitely need a little forgiveness for my past indiscretions
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10-01-2012, 02:39 PM | #116 |
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Got to admit it sounds good. Baffles removed from buttonwillow this weekend
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10-03-2012, 01:12 PM | #118 |
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there is been a few head to head comparos. M3 has won those comparos, but, I agree, the Boss is a great drivers car, easy to drive as well. not like that GT500 beast........
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Do you have the trackey installed? Car sounds really good and nice driving too!
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On the other hand, you could take a car like a Cayman S and run circles around most everyone as well because it's SO easy to drive and it has very high limits at the same time. Same with a GTR. It's all about what you ultimately want. A person who learns to drive a 911 the way it should be will lay waste to nearly everyone and will be a better driver (generally speaking) than someone in something that masks and covers up novice driving. |
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Thanks! I dont have the track key installed. Just have the baffles removed (most people do it, they are on the side exhaust and takes 5 mins to pull them out, used to make it pass sound levels)
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Give up 2 years of warranty for 30-40 hp. The car is powerful enough for the track. |
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Not sure about the warranty thou
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Its not advertised to add power, but if you go on mustang forums many owners have done before and after dynos and it does in fact add about 30 hp. Warranty is reduced to 3yr instead of the typical 5yr.( only if ford believe the problem was caused by the tune) |
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here made a few lb ft more and less HP http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...esults-513505/ This guy gained 7-8 hp with Track Key - that could be dyno variance http://www.boss302forum.com/index.ph...with-trac-key/ and ive seen some more
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10-04-2012, 10:59 AM | #127 |
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All good! I heard that too for a while but the most recent info shows this.
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10-06-2012, 08:04 PM | #128 |
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For your viewing pleasure click the vid below....
That was my former boss that I do sorely miss. Especially when I'm at the track. It was one of the most neutral cars I've ever driven on track. With 500 miles and bone stock it ran a 1:27 at streets of willow. And I'm no pro. I haven't seen an m3 touch that time on that track stock. Also remeber this is probably the worst track for a solid rear axle car! But then again I couldn't touch my buddies e92 m3 at chuckwalla, his only mod was re11's
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Btw the boss is a roadrunner motor and not a coyote. And the cylinder 8 failures were caused by bad tuners and not on stock cars. The tuners found a fix and that issue is history
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The stock GT with $1500 in factory suspension kit erases any handling deficit the Mustang suffers against the M3. This $1500 is enough to make it the M3 equal/superior in all facets except style and interior material quality.
The Boss 302 is clearly an even better car. The best Mustang ever made, bar none and the choice of true enthusiasts who can't stomach the additional weight of the GT 500. The F30 M3 with the turbo six has BMW playing catch up to Ford. BMW has a lot to prove to justify the excruciating premium they're asking, and the 2014.5 Mustang with IRS is going to really give performance-minded M3 shoppers reason to pause. |
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You're smoking something good if you think the stock GT with the factory suspension kit handles as well as the M3. Even Mustang lover Randy Pobst admitted the dampers are not in the same league.
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