Future of e9x m3

[Flying Ace]

Prove it, buy mine

[BOOF-M3]

It's all dependent on whether the generation growing up even cares about classic cars. They are all wrapped up in their hand helds and new technology. It's just like the old car places. The average age of these guys is 70 years old. Will a 2011 E90 6MT with slick top and ZCP be hanging in a parking lot somewhere in 30 years? Doubtful to me as I think the classic car world is dying out as the next generations don't quite care or get it.

And yea, someone please buy Aces car so that he can head over to the M6 forums and "trunk some hookers" over there. We should do a group buy and all chip in. We can throw his car in a time capsule and uncover it in 30 years and all reap the rewards.

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by Law

Yes it does.
Nice try but I owned an E46 M3 not included in the VIN batch that spun rod-bearings at 6x,xxx miles and was in the scene long enough to see the same thing happen to my peers.
It's a catastrophic failure that can affect all S54s and not a case of high-miles.

Also a +10 year E46 M3 owner. The S54 doesn't have a bearing lottery like the S65. Agree to disagree.

[srmast1]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Prove it, buy mine

Have you picked up the M6 yet? If so, what's it like?

[srmast1]

Originally Posted by oldmanstyle

Also a +10 year E46 M3 owner. The S54 doesn't have a bearing lottery like the S65. Agree to disagree.

Bearing lottery...didn't the e46 m3 have a bearing recall, subframe issues, smg issues and other gremlins as well? Agree to disagree indeed.

[HerbNRacer]

Originally Posted by BOOF-M3

It's all dependent on wether the generation growing up even cares about classic cars. They are all wrapped up in their hand helds and new technology. It's just like the old car places. The average age of these guys is 70 years old. Will a 2011 E90 6MT with slick top and ZCP be hanging in a parking lot somewhere in 30 years? Doubtful to me as I think the classic car world is dying out as the next generations don't quite care or get it.

And yea, someone please buy Aces car so that he can head over to the M6 forums and "trunk some hookers" over there. We should do a group buy and all chip in. We can throw his car in a time capsule and uncover it in 30 years and all reap the rewards.

I got $5 on it!!

[Montaver]

Cant see them appreciating for a long time, well sorted older examples are probably near to the bottom of the depreciation curve though particularly E90's. There is still way too much availability in the market for these cars to measurably appreciate. Its not the car to buy as an investment. A 996/997 variant GT3 you will never lose money on, but thats in a different bracket altogether.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by srmast1

Have you picked up the M6 yet? If so, what's it like?

Just got it 24 hours ago. It's a very different experience than the M3.

I have to say though, M division did not lose their way with the F generation cars. While I never driven the E6X M cars, I imagine it's a similar experience as E9x M3. My initial assessment is the F cars are more refined (in a good way), and hides the weight gain very well.

The M6 does not drive like a 4400 lb car. The design of the cabin and the overall ride height gives you that Porsche-like experience. Of you've ever driven a Panamera, it's like that, but better.

I have to say one thing, the M6 sounds very close to the 991 Turbo S. It's snorts, pops, hisses like it's pissed off. But if you throw all settings on pussy mode and drive 2/10s, it's like driving a X5.

[BarbeRouge]

Originally Posted by aswy6

What about E60 M5? Prices are down to 15-20k lol

The few with manuals will go up in price a lot, not too many manual NAv10's on the market. I don't think I can ever get over the bangled styling of the e60 though, I think it's awful. Plus those M5's had their share of issues and they don't age well IMO.

[BrewRifle]

Originally Posted by oldmanstyle

Depends on how the bearing situation continues to play out. This car comes with a more expensive gamble than the previous ones.

E46 had the exact same problem plus a slough of other issues - it's the least reliable M3 ever made.

[aswy6]

Originally Posted by mdreiMCB

The few with manuals will go up in price a lot, not too many manual NAv10's on the market. I don't think I can ever get over the bangled styling of the e60 though, I think it's awful. Plus those M5's had their share of issues and they don't age well IMO.

What if you get one with 100+k miles, completely rebuilt the engine to have 6.0L displacement and make it reliable, then put dual supercharged on it and make it run on Ethanol? May be throw a prior design wide body and change the color? What do you think about that lol?

[srmast1]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Just got it 24 hours ago. It's a very different experience than the M3.

I have to say though, M division did not lose their way with the F generation cars. While I never driven the E6X M cars, I imagine it's a similar experience as E9x M3. My initial assessment is the F cars are more refined (in a good way), and hides the weight gain very well.

The M6 does not drive like a 4400 lb car. The design of the cabin and the overall ride height gives you that Porsche-like experience. Of you've ever driven a Panamera, it's like that, but better.

I have to say one thing, the M6 sounds very close to the 991 Turbo S. It's snorts, pops, hisses like it's pissed off. But if you throw all settings on pussy mode and drive 2/10s, it's like driving a X5.

Nice!! I'm jealous, it's a beautiful car. Enjoy it in good health! I do love those Panameras as well.

[nrubenstein]

The S54 had defective rod bearings in the production pipeline. This is rather different from the S65 issue, which seems to be a fundamental design problem. These days, S54s seem to be pretty reliable.

[GT3fan]

Originally Posted by mdreiMCB

The few with manuals will go up in price a lot, not too many manual NAv10's on the market. I don't think I can ever get over the bangled styling of the e60 though, I think it's awful. Plus those M5's had their share of issues and they don't age well IMO.

I’ve thought about buying one again at today’s rock bottom prices.

V10/6mt/rwd in a four-door sedan is even more rare than our e90s.

I agree they haven’t aged well styling-wise

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by BrewRifle

E46 had the exact same problem

Nope, you're just misinformed.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by aswy6

What about E60 M5? Prices are down to 15-20k lol

But why they so ugly?

[nachob]

Originally Posted by santiago.rincon

Will the e9x m3 still be a popular choice for the coming years? Will it still be worth buying? 2018-2022?

Depends. Manuals will be more sought after especially if configured well like black interiors etc. Bamboo extended leather etc probably not as much. Unmodifiee cars yes. Modified not as much. You already see it with other m3s.

[Mantii]

More and more e46 are converted to track cars these days. It did indeed have issues with rod bearings until the recalls and switch to a thicker oil. The subframe issues are real as is the Vanos. However, the recalls pretty much took care of the bearings, now it's basically monitoring via oil analysis and doing preventive maintenance depending on miles and use.

Vanos issue is well documented and pretty easily "bulletproofed" via the Beisan system or upgraded hubs. I am not aware of any documented Vanos failures once this is done.

The subframe is a problem. Reddish makes good plates that reinforces many areas that plates from Turner for example do not. Solid subframe mounts have proven to help the issue as well. Most people doing cages tie it in via the subframe and weld in the plates on the button as well. Once down, subframe isn't going anywhere.

I may be a bit hesitant if it was my daily driver and not willing to do the maintenance it requires. I recently sold my f80 and got an e46 and pretty much converted to a track car now. It's been nothing but solid and do not have any worries regarding any of the above. It's cheaper to buy and maintain than the e9x no matter how you slice it, and they are a weapon on track and very popular. Just depends what kind of experience you are looking for and the money willing to spend, as you will be spending money on either one.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by Mantii

More and more e46 are converted to track cars these days. It did indeed have issues with rod bearings until the recalls and switch to a thicker oil. The subframe issues are real as is the Vanos. However, the recalls pretty much took care of the bearings, now it's basically monitoring via oil analysis and doing preventive maintenance depending on miles and use.

Vanos issue is well documented and pretty easily "bulletproofed" via the Beisan system or upgraded hubs. I am not aware of any documented Vanos failures once this is done.

The subframe is a problem. Reddish makes good plates that reinforces many areas that plates from Turner for example do not. Solid subframe mounts have proven to help the issue as well. Most people doing cages tie it in via the subframe and weld in the plates on the button as well. Once down, subframe isn't going anywhere.

I may be a bit hesitant if it was my daily driver and not willing to do the maintenance it requires. I recently sold my f80 and got an e46 and pretty much converted to a track car now. It's been nothing but solid and do not have any worries regarding any of the above. It's cheaper to buy and maintain than the e9x no matter how you slice it, and they are a weapon on track and very popular. Just depends what kind of experience you are looking for and the money willing to spend, as you will be spending money on either one.

My eye has been on the E46 M3 for a track car for a while now. Every time I'm up at Road Atlanta, they always just look so...right.

[scoale]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Just got it 24 hours ago. It's a very different experience than the M3.

I have to say though, M division did not lose their way with the F generation cars. While I never driven the E6X M cars, I imagine it's a similar experience as E9x M3. My initial assessment is the F cars are more refined (in a good way), and hides the weight gain very well.

The M6 does not drive like a 4400 lb car. The design of the cabin and the overall ride height gives you that Porsche-like experience. Of you've ever driven a Panamera, it's like that, but better.

I have to say one thing, the M6 sounds very close to the 991 Turbo S. It's snorts, pops, hisses like it's pissed off. But if you throw all settings on pussy mode and drive 2/10s, it's like driving a X5.

Good lord, did you just say 4,400 lbs

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by scoale

Good lord, did you just say 4,400 lbs

4,400 LBS = 0 2 60 in 3.9 seconds

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by scoale

Good lord, did you just say 4,400 lbs

That is one big Civic.