What type of BMW could beat or keep up with an RS6?

[bunnn]

maybe this guy knows the person who recently imported an RS6(C6 body..yes C6) into the US...he also has an rs4...sorta sounds like the person hes talking about..

[footie]

Originally Posted by bunnn

maybe this guy knows the person who recently imported an RS6(C6 body..yes C6) into the US...he also has an rs4...sorta sounds like the person hes talking about..

If it's the new RS6 he is talking about then you really need to up the competition options beyond the M5 and E63. In same body size (i.e. 4dr saloon) then probably the CTS-V will be good enough though I haven't hear or seen any comparison tests between them, probably because the RS6 isn't going to the US but I reckon it would be a close call.

Once you tune one of these big bad boys it you options of competition greatly reduces to truly exotics and other tuned cars, like RUF, 9ff and even the GTRs.

P.S.
I've heard rumours that there's an 800hp RS6 being developed by one of the tuning companies, now that would be very special if true.

[mixja]

Originally Posted by footie

If it's the new RS6 he is talking about then you really need to up the competition options beyond the M5 and E63. In same body size (i.e. 4dr saloon) then probably the CTS-V will be good enough though I haven't hear or seen any comparison tests between them, probably because the RS6 isn't going to the US but I reckon it would be a close call.

Once you tune one of these big bad boys it you options of competition greatly reduces to truly exotics and other tuned cars, like RUF, 9ff and even the GTRs.

P.S.
I've heard rumours that there's an 800hp RS6 being developed by one of the tuning companies, now that would be very special if true.

I'd say it is highly likely the new M5 will get the same 555HP/501lbft engine from the X5 M - if that is the case, it will surely be quicker than the RS6 because I don't think BMW would go anywhere near the 2000kg kerb weight the porky RS6 carries....

Even the X5 M at 2400kg is pretty damn fast with that engine...

[southlight]

Originally Posted by mixja

I'd say it is highly likely the new M5 will get the same 555HP/501lbft engine from the X5 M - if that is the case, it will surely be quicker than the RS6 because I don't think BMW would go anywhere near the 2000kg kerb weight the porky RS6 carries....

Even the X5 M at 2400kg is pretty damn fast with that engine...

It is.


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[bobbyd1961]

bmw m3 will beat it on a track. straight line im not so sure

[MikeG_C63_AMG]

Originally Posted by bobbyd1961

bmw m3 will beat it on a track. straight line im not so sure

Considering how expensive the old RS6 was for the time, let alone the new RS6 I doubt majority of the people who can afford such a car new are bringing it to a track. On the highway, you will be seeing the tail lights of the RS6. Considering what some M3 owner's pay for an exhaust system, the 03 RS6 can yield 60+HP just from an ECU tune.

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by warzilla

Most likely the OP is talking about the 2003 RS6 (C5), since the current one is not available in the US. The RS6 was only sold in one year in the US, the 2003 and is very rare. My brother has one. Its a twin turbo V8 with base 450 hp and 400 lbs of torque. Its a crazy ass car, even 6 years later a very fast/solid car. The main comparisions I get comparing the two:

- the RS6 feels like a tank if you drive the cars back to back. Yes, it has more power, and you definitely feel it at higher range, but this car is way over 4000 lbs - and feels it.
- it uses the old audi A6 body; so it has alot of weight up front, over the front wheels.
- As a Quattro car, it has the all wheel drive grip/feel and does not carry over the rear bias in quattro that Audi started putting into their sportier cars (ie RS4, R8, etc)

Unless you really like Audi's and want the uniqueness of the RS6, I would take the M3.

Pretty good description, however, I'd say on the street the car masks that horrible weight distribution very well. Most of that is due to the DRC, which, if working correctly (rare) really keeps the body motion in check. Even though it's the old body (C5), the car was solid as a block of steel, which made it a really nice long distance car. Drove mine accross country twirce. A lot of that weight was due to sound deadening. The car was quiet. PS2s lasted 8k miles if I was lucky.

The only saving grace on the track was that the car DID have the rear biased quattro. The only way to get it around a corner was to nail the gas and let the car 4-wheel drift to track out. If I tried to drive it smooth like the M3, it just understeered slowly out into the weeds.

My girlfriend has been through my A4, two M3s, a diesel Jetta and the RS6. Even compared to the new M3, the RS6 is her favorite by a long shot. The e46 and the RS6 had more character, but the e90 is superior to both for me. It's just a little boring.

[jblaze]

i would say the RS6 is the king car for a traveling business man, you do alot of highway travel or have a family and like to be a bit suttle compared to other flashy cars then this car is perfect.

the RS6 is a acquired taste and when put to its specific uses it out preforms all other in its class

saying that, its not a track car,

also in europe its common to travel 120mph on the highway non stop even with the speed limit being 70mph, and then in germany with autobahn no limits im sure this bad boy would do 150ish constant.

like i said, put it in its area of expertise and then compare it to other cars.

[mkoesel]

OP never replied again, so was this thread just flame bait?

I am very curious if there really is a C6 RS6 in the US. First, it would be cool. And secondly, find a driver and get that thing entered in Lutz's ever-increasing-hyped CTS-V challenge.

[quality_sound]

Originally Posted by jblaze

and then in germany with autobahn no limits im sure this bad boy would do 150ish constant.

Where does the misconception that there are no speed limits in Germany come from?

[graider]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

Where does the misonception that there are no speed limits in Germany come from?

from the noobs.

[Boosted Josh]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

The RS6 is insanely expensive to maintain. Pretty much anything in the engine compartment including O2 sensors will cost you in excess of $1k. Example: Flat rate for O2 sensor replacement is 30 hours. A good tech can do it in 8. 10 minutes and $45 on my F250.
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30 hours? Seriously? Does it require you to remove the engine?

[graider]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

No BMW car can compete with the RS6, and with a statement like that you've obviously never driven a high end porsche

wow?

you don't really need to be that obvious. everyone know you work for vw/porsche.

[footie]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

No BMW car can compete with the RS6, and with a statement like that you've obviously never driven a high end porsche

If he prefers the BMW driving experience then who are we to argue, I would agree with you that Porsche is probably a more intense experience which puts you the driver more in touch with both the road and the car but that isn't always desirable. I happen to think BMW have hit and happy medium with the M3, probably a much better balance then any previous BMW.

But you are right that no stock BMW saloon/estate competes with the RS6, it power is not only addictive but totally usable almost all of the time. The M5 and M6 will excite far and a way more but after driving the RS6 I came away with feels of how was it possible to have so much power and performance under your right foot yet get the impression that such a thing was even considered perfectly normal. I have yet to experience anything similar to that from any other car.

P.S.
I'm talking about the C6 RS6.

[Robin_NL]

To me the RS6 is a nuclear powered elphant, the E9x M3 is a big well fed used-to-be-a-cheetah.

I still prefer the old cheetah.

(A year or so ago Darren Turner c.s. tested some 'sportscars' on a UK track(don't remember, Bedford???) And the M3 saloon was a second or so faster on that track than the new RS6 fwiw.

Can't find the vid though, sorry.)

[footie]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

To me the RS6 is a nuclear powered elphant, the E9x M3 is a big well fed used-to-be-a-cheetah.

I still prefer the old cheetah.

(A year or so ago Darren Turner c.s. tested some 'sportscars' on a UK track(don't remember, Bedford???) And the M3 saloon was a second or so faster on that track than the new RS6 fwiw.

Can't find the vid though, sorry.)

If it was EVO he was testing for then it would have been Bedford, if it was CAR it would have been Rockingham, I think it was with EVO so I think it was at Bedford.

Here's some other data as comparison

Nordschleife 8:05(M3) vs 8:09(RS6 Avant) vs 8:13(M5)
Hockenheim Short 1:14.3(M3) vs 1:15.7(RS6 Avant) vs 1:16.5(M5)
Oschersleben 1:47.20(M3) vs 1:50.81(RS6 Avant) vs 1:48.55(M5)
Contidrom 1:35.41(M3) vs 1:34.00(RS6 Avant)
Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:16.9(M3) vs 1:06.1(RS6 Avant) vs 1:08.4(M5)
Anglesey National 1:03.8(M3) vs 1:06.30(RS6 Avant)

Slowest time in Bold

[Robin_NL]

@Footie, might have been Bedford, though Anglesey comes to my mind as well...

[footie]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

@Footie, might have been Bedford, though Anglesey comes to my mind as well...

I think Fifthgear use it but I don't think they have figured either car there. Would have to check and get back to you.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by niqui

i knew the rs6 was fast, didnt know it was that fast.
i would assume from just the numbers an m3 dct should be able to hold its own in acceleration, at least keep up respectively.
and m5-m6 should do a bit better.

Here in the UK, I have owned the RS4B7 and the RS6, I have just ordered the M3 E90 M-DCT 7 speed, it is much quicker on twisty roads than either of the other two IMO. In a straight line up to 100MPH there may be a couple of car lengths in favour of the RS6, but thats it's only advantage, as soon as corners are involved it's lost it's way, sorry.

[jblaze]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

Where does the misconception that there are no speed limits in Germany come from?

the autobahn is partly limited, and the rest unlimited, this has been the case for decades, the places its limited in are around the cities and place that go along with the noise restriction. there is still a very large amount of unlimited parts and roads in germany. you just got to go the right place, but they are slowly trying to make more sections limited.

been to the famous autobahn and did 200+ km with other car enthusiast i did this in 06 and earlt 07. maxed my subaru out at 240km with not much to spare

id like to get some factual info if this has changed! i had a blast

i went to a few major cities in germany and to euro park or somthing, kinda like disney land

[KonigsTiger]

Buy and M3, mod the hell out of the engine, and you have a faster than RS6 M3.

[graider]

i personally don't like wagon. it is like half car, half SUV. I would buy a car with a trunk or an SUV if you like hatch.