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      08-10-2012, 10:20 PM   #111
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Just curious, where do you get this? C&D tested the 2012 335 Sedan, 2011 335 Coupe, and 2008 M3 vert.
  1. 335 Sedan: 0-60 5.3 sec, 1/4 mi. 13.8 sec
  2. 335 Coupe: 0-60 5.0 sec, 1/4 mi 13.7 sec
  3. M3 vert: 0-60 4.6 sec, 1/4 mi 13.1 sec

That's not even close?

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Not to drag this out but..... bmwusa.com list

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Acceleration 0-60 mph 5.1 (5.0) sec

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Acceleration 0-60 mph 5.1 (4.9) sec

So Im not sure what the "Not even close" was about. Im just saying
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      08-11-2012, 07:54 AM   #112
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The numbers don't lie and if you are looking for every last ounce of performance (I wasn't) the E93 is not the way to go,

If you are looking for every last ounce of performance any M3 is not the way to go.

The M3s are outstanding all-round cars, however they are not the last word in performance.
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      08-11-2012, 11:20 AM   #113
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Coupe - It's more practical, looks better and with sun roof, I get the open air feel

Carbon Fiber roof - not a consideration - just so much bling

Performance - not a consideration - 95% of my driving is on a highway or city street

Weight - not a consideration - See performance above - Besides I need to loose a few pounds myself.

Weather - Big consideration - With a few exceptions there are very few true convertible days around the country. At some point you've got to put the top up to keep from being fried. Someone said they like to drive to work in the morning with the top down. Agree, but by 11:00AM the top probably has to come up until 4 or 5PM. (Reminder - I said there were exceptions). Even in Florida and Southern Calif mid-day sun dictates the top coming up. Spring and Fall probably best convertible weather, but I drive a car year round.

Noise - not a consideration - Coupe with windows open and roof open not too much quieter than the convertible; besides, cars next to me don't need to be listening to my radio (big irritant)
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      08-11-2012, 11:42 AM   #114
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Weather - Big consideration - With a few exceptions there are very few true convertible days around the country. At some point you've got to put the top up to keep from being fried. Someone said they like to drive to work in the morning with the top down. Agree, but by 11:00AM the top probably has to come up until 4 or 5PM. (Reminder - I said there were exceptions). Even in Florida and Southern Calif mid-day sun dictates the top coming up. Spring and Fall probably best convertible weather, but I drive a car year round.
Ahhh, quit being a pussy... just kidding.

I have the top down almost every day as long as the temps are above ~45 and it's not raining, although I have kept the top down during light showers. Once or twice a year, just for shits and giggles, I will keep the top down during a snow storm. This really is a fun experience and I recommend everyone try it at least once.

I also keep a tube of SPF 50 sun block in the car.
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      08-11-2012, 12:50 PM   #115
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Lets not forget that the exhaust note and the compliments expressed towards you and your car from pedestrians and other road-users are easier to hear when the roof is down.
I went for the Z4 because I didn't need 4 seats while living in China (taxi's are so inexpensive here). Then it became an easy choice because the Z4 is simply not available as a coupe...
Had I needed 4 seats I would have had the M3 E91 sports wagon with a glass roof. It's such a fantastic combination of practicality, joy and beauty. (I think if I keep pretenting it exists, someday it will!)
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      08-11-2012, 12:56 PM   #116
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why get either of those when you can get a sedan!
sorry, just wanted to throw some more gas on the fire
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      08-11-2012, 01:39 PM   #117
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why get either of those when you can get a sedan!
sorry, just wanted to throw some more gas on the fire
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      08-11-2012, 03:58 PM   #118
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Ahhh, quit being a pussy... just kidding.

I have the top down almost every day as long as the temps are above ~45 and it's not raining, although I have kept the top down during light showers. Once or twice a year, just for shits and giggles, I will keep the top down during a snow storm. This really is a fun experience and I recommend everyone try it at least once.

I also keep a tube of SPF 50 sun block in the car.
Being a wuss comes with old age. The comfort factor becomes more important than being out there with nature.

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Lets not forget that the exhaust note and the compliments expressed towards you and your car from pedestrians and other road-users are easier to hear when the roof is down.
I went for the Z4 because I didn't need 4 seats while living in China (taxi's are so inexpensive here). Then it became an easy choice because the Z4 is simply not available as a coupe...
Had I needed 4 seats I would have had the M3 E91 sports wagon with a glass roof. It's such a fantastic combination of practicality, joy and beauty. (I think if I keep pretenting it exists, someday it will!)
I will admit, a Z4 is an excellent alternative. I used to drive an Alfa Romeo Spyder (the type with the Spica mechanical fuel injection - put 120K miles on it) This was in the SF Bay area. Took the car up to Tahoe on a regular basis with skies hanging out the side window. Except for the very hottest days, the top was down. I had a tonneau cover made for the car when I bought it. In the winter, I'd drive with the top down, the passenger side of the tonneau in place and the heater on high. Just the greatest. Also, as long as you maintained at least 35 mph, the rain went up and over the windshield, landing somewhere toward the rear of the trunk.

I do miss that car.
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      08-11-2012, 05:33 PM   #119
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Being a wuss comes with old age. The comfort factor becomes more important than being out there with nature.



I used to drive an Alfa Romeo Spyder (the type with the Spica mechanical fuel injection - put 120K miles on it) Except for the very hottest days, the top was down. I had a tonneau cover made for the car when I bought it. In the winter, I'd drive with the top down, the passenger side of the tonneau in place and the heater on high. Just the greatest. Also, as long as you maintained at least 35 mph, the rain went up and over the windshield, landing somewhere toward the rear of the trunk.

I do miss that car.
Holy crap, me too. I had an '84; ivory with brown leather and Campagnolo magnesium wheels (real magnesium) . I did not have a tonneau cover. I recall rarely ever having the top up. You are absolutely correct about driving in the rain with the top down. When the top was up and it was raining your left knee would get soaked every time the chassis flexed. I aslo recall having to replace the rocker panels after about 4 years. That was a great car!, one of my all-time favorites!
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      08-11-2012, 06:13 PM   #120
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Holy crap, me too. I had an '84; ivory with brown leather and Campagnolo magnesium wheels (real magnesium) . I did not have a tonneau cover. I recall rarely ever having the top up. You are absolutely correct about driving in the rain with the top down. When the top was up and it was raining your left knee would get soaked every time the chassis flexed. I aslo recall having to replace the rocker panels after about 4 years. That was a great car!, one of my all-time favorites!
Mine was an '80. I always carried a towel in the car so when it did rain and the top was up, the towel was drapped over my left leg and knee. Never had a rust problem though. Body was sound when I finally sold it.
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      08-11-2012, 11:56 PM   #121
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Last week I pulled next to a white E93 with a nice looking, 30 something female at the wheel with the top down. She and the car made an attractive combination. I'm glad I was in a coupe. For some reason, I would have felt a bit silly if I was in a E93. I have a 997 cab. I woud not have felt silly in that car. I really can't explain why the E93 doesn't seem manly to me...no offense to any E93 owners.
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      08-12-2012, 07:37 AM   #122
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Last week I pulled next to a white E93 with a nice looking, 30 something female at the wheel with the top down. She and the car made an attractive combination. I'm glad I was in a coupe. For some reason, I would have felt a bit silly if I was in a E93. I have a 997 cab. I woud not have felt silly in that car. I really can't explaing why the E93 doesn't seem manly to me...no offense to any E93 owners.

This is completely unrelated to the above post and I know I should not be responding to this; but I just can't help myself. And I probably know your initials are M.F. and you own an M3; BUT your forum name...mfM3...just screams male-female-male 3-some. Or maybe it's just my warped mind.
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      08-12-2012, 11:33 PM   #123
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Simple, really...if you need a convertible, you will not exploit the full potential of an M3, so buy a 335i drop top. On the other hand, if you are at all serious about track performance, you should not even be asking this question; the M3 coupe is the obvious answer. Or, just get an Ariel Atom; open air driving and more performance than you know what to do with. Good luck.

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      08-13-2012, 10:10 AM   #124
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Simple, really...if you need a convertible, you will not exploit the full potential of an M3, so buy a 335i drop top. On the other hand, if you are at all serious about track performance, you should not even be asking this question; the M3 coupe is the obvious answer. Or, just get an Ariel Atom; open air driving and more performance than you know what to do with. Good luck.

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This is a very tunnel visioned opinion. I wanted a convertible and chose the M3 over the 335i because I prefered the way it drove, the adaptive suspension, the seats, the better quality leather. It was not purchased as a track car.

I am very serious about track performance and have dedicated track cars and hold an SCCA competition license and over the years have competed in several different classes. IMO if you are truly serious about tracking you wlll eventually get involved in racing. In its stock form the M3 coupe is a decent track day car but it is by no means a race car. Trust me, you do not want a race car as a daily driver.

For the vast majority of people the limitations of track performance is the driver not the car.
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Love the carbon fiber roof, e93 looks great, but not really my personal style.
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      08-13-2012, 10:26 AM   #126
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Threads like this are the reason I hardly come to this forum anymore.
It's like reading a children's magazine.
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Simple, really...if you need a convertible, you will not exploit the full potential of an M3, so buy a 335i drop top.
I am willing to bet a small minority here actually "exploit the full potential" of any M3.
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http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483796

The vert looks better to me than the coupe.

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Not to drag this out but..... bmwusa.com list

335is
Acceleration 0-60 mph 5.1 (5.0) sec

M3 Vert
Acceleration 0-60 mph 5.1 (4.9) sec

So Im not sure what the "Not even close" was about. Im just saying
Oh, sorry, my bad: In the English language "that" usually refers to a specific thing - in this case, the data I posted. Shouldn't have assumed that knowledge, I guess.

Regarding your info, that's interesting, thanks for posting.

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m3 vertible is sick i like it
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Simple, really...if you need a convertible, you will not exploit the full potential of an M3, so buy a 335i drop top. On the other hand, if you are at all serious about track performance, you should not even be asking this question; the M3 coupe is the obvious answer. Or, just get an Ariel Atom; open air driving and more performance than you know what to do with. Good luck.

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Ahhh, quit being a pussy... just kidding.

I have the top down almost every day as long as the temps are above ~45 and it's not raining, although I have kept the top down during light showers. Once or twice a year, just for shits and giggles, I will keep the top down during a snow storm. This really is a fun experience and I recommend everyone try it at least once.

I also keep a tube of SPF 50 sun block in the car.
i have been on the highway on a 5hr trip, with the top down and temps as low as 4C (40F?) at the start...
on my runs around town after work in the winter, i'll have the top down as long as the sun's shining and it's above freezing (otherwise my top doesnt open / close, although i do have a trick to bypass that ).
Winter jacket, gloves, and the heat / heated seats cranked up, makes for an overall great feeling ! havent tried the snow storm yet !

anyway, to answer the question, the only drawback of a convertible is that many tracks dont allow them, which is why i havent been on a track yet. other than that, with the speed limits the way they are and the lack of attention / driving skills of the general public, you'll never fully exploit 300whp (in my case) or 414hp for the M3 on an open road, so why not enjoy the open air, exhaust note, landscape 100x better with the top down?

and for those who think i'm a "wuss" or a "pussy" for driving a vert, a quick downshift / short race usually changes their mind quick... and well, to be honest, one way or the other, i dont really care what people think !!!
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