M3 vs. 1M Coupe

[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by onefastman

The 1m will be 370hp and 310lb ft so it wont be competition to the m3, stock. With bolt on's it will rape the m3.

Maybe now people will finally see that a bolt on 135i is better than a m3 on the track.
1. tune
2. suspension
3. meth
4. down pipes
5. fmic
6. intake
7. lsd
8. Pads and fluid
and any other bolt on's make 400rwhp in a light car




Although it is not good for your warranty

I don't care if the 1M can turn a 10 second quarter mile, to many of us, it's just plain ugly.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

I don't care if the 1M can turn a 10 second quarter mile, to many of us, it's just plain ugly.

I like the 1. I don't think it's ugly at all. I think it will be even better with some M body pieces on it.

[330CIZHP]

Originally Posted by onefastman

The 1m will be 370hp and 310lb ft so it wont be competition to the m3, stock. With bolt on's it will rape the m3.

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your warranty

Where did you get those numbers from? I am asking because they don't make any sense in context of how N54/N55 puts down power. With only a 7000 rpm redline, if with more boost, it truly puts down 370 HP, the torque will be around 360 - 370 ft-lbs as well. Although, that is a lot of torque, the powerband will be much narrower and most of that torque will evaporate past 5252 rpm where the cross over happens.

[graider]

i would go with the m3. better looking, more space, v8 8400rpm, lot of m3 out there meaning more aftermarket mods/support.

the last one is one of the main reason why i love the m3. the aftermarket support, the community, and the members contribution to DIY, etc are huge. biggest I've seen out there for a car.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by DLin17

I think a no option model with speed cloth (the newer type they have shown pictures of on the F10 5 series) and MDCT would be alot of fun!

No DCT for the 1M this time. Have to wait for the next generation F22.

And yes, the engine is a tuned N54 similar to those in the 335is and Z4 35is. Figure around 350hp, I'd guess.

This car was done on a budget. It will be good, but probably not make as good a use of the chassis as the M3 does of the 3 series chassis. The next generation of cars is going to make the better comparison. I.e. F22 1M vs. F32 M3.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe

I don't care if the 1M can turn a 10 second quarter mile, to many of us, it's just plain ugly.

the 1 series really is ugly and squashed looking. buuuuut, i all those m parts could make that pos look decent. iono.

i would def want to stick with a m3. its just what i want. besides, even with a modded 1m or m1 or w/e, i personally wouldnt be able to take full advantage of the car since i wont be going to the track. even if a modded 1m smokes the m3, id be ok.

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by crackberry

the 1 series really is ugly and squashed looking.

That only proves it looks more like a real BMW. I love the looks of the 1 series, but I'm biased as I owned one. I know it's not a beautiful car to everyone, but it's truly a BMW. It looks more like the BMW's of the past than the E9x does.

[M3Fool]

I have read and watched reviews where they have stated the 1 series is awkward and top heavy with alot of understeer which pretty much takes it out of the M3 competitin bracket. I have only driven one, a 128i and I was neither impressed or un inpressed...... can say it is not for me. They can put the E60 M5 V10 under the hood and I would still not be interested......... by far the ugliest car in BMW's lineup. As Barack Obama said," You can put lipstick on a pig............ but it still a pig".

M Division has never gone back on HP in any model. My guess is the new iteration M3 will be pushing well beyond 450 hp......... they would have to, to remain competetive with MB.

[niuniu]

They'll gimp the 1M the same way Porsche gimp their Cayman S. The 1M is the more appealing track car, smaller, lighter. Will look better too than the M3.

Scratching my head at some of the comments about the 1 series. I guess Americans like these big bloated looking cars

[graider]

sorry but if the v10 is in the 1m for 50k, i'm game.

Originally Posted by M3Fool

I have read and watched reviews where they have stated the 1 series is awkward and top heavy with alot of understeer which pretty much takes it out of the M3 competitin bracket. I have only driven one, a 128i and I was neither impressed or un inpressed...... can say it is not for me. They can put the E60 M5 V10 under the hood and I would still not be interested......... by far the ugliest car in BMW's lineup. As Barack Obama said," You can put lipstick on a pig............ but it still a pig".

M Division has never gone back on HP in any model. My guess is the new iteration M3 will be pushing well beyond 450 hp......... they would have to, to remain competetive with MB.

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by onefastman

The 1m will be 370hp and 310lb ft so it wont be competition to the m3, stock. With bolt on's it will rape the m3.

Maybe now people will finally see that a bolt on 135i is better than a m3 on the track.
1. tune
2. suspension
3. meth
4. down pipes
5. fmic
6. intake
7. lsd
8. Pads and fluid
and any other bolt on's make 400rwhp in a light car




Although it is not good for your warranty

you are not very bright are you? please keep dreaming with your ignorant and uneducated comments

signed,

135i user with 400rwhp, KW V2 coils, track tires, upgraded pads, etc.

[Jeff_DML]

I don't know in what universe 3373 pounds is light for a small car, m version will probably be heavier too

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by M3Fool

I have read and watched reviews where they have stated the 1 series is awkward and top heavy with alot of understeer which pretty much takes it out of the M3 competitin bracket. I have only driven one, a 128i and I was neither impressed or un inpressed...... can say it is not for me. They can put the E60 M5 V10 under the hood and I would still not be interested......... by far the ugliest car in BMW's lineup. As Barack Obama said," You can put lipstick on a pig............ but it still a pig".

M Division has never gone back on HP in any model. My guess is the new iteration M3 will be pushing well beyond 450 hp......... they would have to, to remain competetive with MB.

Quoting the President doesn't add to the credibility of your argument.

[serge]

Originally Posted by onefastman

The 1m will be 370hp and 310lb ft so it wont be competition to the m3, stock. With bolt on's it will rape the m3.

Maybe now people will finally see that a bolt on 135i is better than a m3 on the track.
1. tune
2. suspension
3. meth
4. down pipes
5. fmic
6. intake
7. lsd
8. Pads and fluid
and any other bolt on's make 400rwhp in a light car




Although it is not good for your warranty

Why are you comparing a highly modified FI car with a NA stock one? What;s your point? How about comparing that ugly duckling souped up 135 with a M3 Supercharger?

[serge]

Originally Posted by onefastman

The 1m will be 370hp and 310lb ft so it wont be competition to the m3, stock. With bolt on's it will rape the m3.

Maybe now people will finally see that a bolt on 135i is better than a m3 on the track.
1. tune
2. suspension
3. meth
4. down pipes
5. fmic
6. intake
7. lsd
8. Pads and fluid
and any other bolt on's make 400rwhp in a light car




Although it is not good for your warranty

Why are you comparing a highly modified FI car with a NA stock one? What's your point? How about comparing that ugly duckling souped up 135 with a M3 Supercharger?

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by niuniu

Scratching my head at some of the comments about the 1 series. I guess Americans like these big bloated looking cars

yah, cars in america and europe look totally different! the difference is like night and day in terms of average car size. i guess thats why we have such different opinions about the 1 series.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

That only proves it looks more like a real BMW. I love the looks of the 1 series, but I'm biased as I owned one. I know it's not a beautiful car to everyone, but it's truly a BMW. It looks more like the BMW's of the past than the E9x does.

im not a purist like u. i dont mind buying a car that deviates from the bmw roots. thats why i wouldnt buy a 1 series.

to be honest, im surprised the 1 series hasnt taken off here in the states. a lot more ppl can afford bmws since the price range of the 1 series is lower.

[Dntlvet]

ok so now tune the M3 and compare to tuned M1.

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by crackberry

im not a purist like u. i dont mind buying a car that deviates from the bmw roots. thats why i wouldnt buy a 1 series.

to be honest, im surprised the 1 series hasnt taken off here in the states. a lot more ppl can afford bmws since the price range of the 1 series is lower.

I'm not a purist either. I like the look of BMW's old and new. I think the 1 series looks great in the right trim. And the 1 series isn't much cheaper than the 3. For example, A base 328i is cheaper than a base 135i. A loaded 135i is more than a base 5 series. A base 128i is only 4 grand cheaper than a base 328i. Most people who can barely afford a BMW end up leasing and would probably rather jump into a 3 series anyways. I really consider the 1 series an enthusiast car. The 135i has most of the 335i amenities in a smaller, lighter, sportier package with a bit of sacrifice on interior quality. It's a lot more fun to drive compared to the 335i. Looks are subjective.

The M3 on the other hand is in another league. Hence the reason my 135i is sold and M3 is on order. I do have high hopes for the 1M coupe even though I won't be buying one. Looks like it will be a very fun car.

[HERR FSTIR]

Latest news from m-power.com

Small, Black, Strong - Interview with Albert Biermann on the 1M Coupé

At a glance:
Engine: 3.0l biturbo inline 6 with about 340 hp (in other words: N54)
Weight: About 1,500kg or 3,300 lbs
Transmission: 6MT only
Chassis, brakes and rear diff shared with the M3
Nuerburgring 'Nordschleife': Ten seconds faster than the E46 M3 (Sportauto lapped the E46 M3 in 8:22)
Price: Somewhere between the 135i and M3, but closer to the 135i
Full details to come in Mid December

M-Power.com: So what we have is a small BMW M3?
Biermann: To a certain extent, absolutely. Yet, on the other hand, not really. There are parallels between the power and weight of the BMW 1 Series M Coupé (we expect about 1500 kg) and the BMW M3 E46. On the performance side, though, it will be in its own league. We assume that the 1 Series M Coupé will be about ten seconds faster than the M3 predecessor on the Nordschleife. And of course it will have its own particular character.

Interview with Albert Biermann on 1M Coupe

[ihyln]

until the HPFP issues are resolved completely I wouldn't take the risk with buying one.

[ChrisK]

I can give you an entirely different reason not to buy the 1M and it has nothing to do with the engine at all.

It's the dash. The passenger airbag over time will start to show an outline on the dash. It made me nuts having to see this on my 135i. Even 2010 cars suffer from the same problem.


Take a look: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ht=dash+airbag