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From my point of view, here's how it tends to stack up, performance wise: Drag Strip - Minor advantage to the RS5, given its AWD banzai launch. Best M3 magazine time I've seen is the C & D 12.4 @ 114 in an auto. Best RS5 time is a 12.2 @ 113.6 from Road & Track. Out on the highway, side by side, it seems as if the M3 has a minor advantage, given its slightly better power to weight ratio, and the Audi's AWD paraphernalia. I'd guess that from, say 120 and up, the Audi's horsepower advantage would tend to assert itself, resulting in a slight advantage at that point. On the other hand, there aren't many races in the U.S. from 120 up. In point of fact there were seven such races in 2012, and two so far in 2013. Race track: Advantage Audi, by a fairly small but measureable margin. Back road: Perhaps a slightly larger advantage to Audi, based on the fact that everybody's a bit more timorous in this environment, and the Audi is easier to just punch it out of corners. Back road, continued: On the other hand, unless you're in a battle to the death with your buddy in the "other" car (in which case you're both idiots), the bimmer is the back-road bandit of choice, with more nuanced steering, and that ability to go from understeer to neutral to oversteer that only rear wheel drive cars can achieve, given some expertise behind the wheel. Yeah, the Audi is very good for an awd car, but the bimmer is the better "sport" driver by a clear margin. So, what does this come down to? Nothing. These cars are remarkably competitive, so pick your poison. Bruce PS - Both cars sing the 8000-rpm song so beloved of M devotees on this forum, so nothing to pick from there, although I think the Audi sounds more delicious in everyday driving. Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 03-14-2013 at 11:05 AM.. Reason: Spelling |
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And at the track there has been many tests showing the m3 is faster around a lot of tracks. Moreso than any audi was faster. I like the audi but to say all these specific scenarios which just are not true is what im pointing out |
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03-14-2013, 12:03 PM | #26 |
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Happily real world situation is a lot more rolling race then red light race! I had modified AWD cars for the pas 10 years and I can count on my hand how much time I raced from a light and believe me I do a lot of street race!(always in a secure environement)
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03-14-2013, 12:13 PM | #28 |
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OP I am debating this as well. I can from an RS4 and I swore I would never get another Audi. If you have rad my previous responses on other topics similar I had the engine replaced 2 times in a 50k period and I was the only owner.
I moved to an e90 m and I love it back in 2010 and still own it. Ended up buying a TTRS for a daily driver bc I did not want to put any more miles on my M as I drive alot for work. Car has about 38k on it now and my TTRS has 16k in 1 year. Went this week to think about trading the TRRS In for the RS5 as I want a bigger coupe and the TT is not as practical as I thought. The TT does get incredible gas mileage and as a STAGE2 it goes like hell. Very fast car. I am considering the RS5, but I am concerned about the tranny as I love the 6spd as all my cars in the last 8 years have been stick. I hear it good and the steering isn't as numb as some write ups suggest. Definitely need to drive it though to get a feel of the car. I was told by the dealer I could get 60k for my TTRS. Not bad considering I spent 59k with a 65k sticker price! Go drive it and see. The DCT is an incredible tranny all though I have only driven it a few times. I almost regret at times going with the 6spd in the M bc it feels so sloppy and not well built considering the rest of the car. |
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03-14-2013, 12:19 PM | #29 | |
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Also it's important to note that 99% of drivers are gonna be faster around a track in the RS5, only really experimented drivers are gonna perform the way it could with the M3! In every case, IMO the most important thing is how much FUN you have with a car and that is no doupt a categorie that the M3 wins! |
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Mostly from road tests, and Internet sources.
Have several hours in M3s, and one short test drive in an RS5. Not enough to make my comments a result of personal experience. Plus I've never driven either on track. Quote:
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I really like the RS5 and it makes a lot of sense in climates with plenty of days of rain and snow but they're a bit overpriced and I would constantly be thinking about "when am I gonna need a carbon clean?"
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03-14-2013, 03:23 PM | #32 |
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They are both cars with different characters. RWD v quattro, 4.0 v 4.2, 414 v 444, 295 v 317. Just pick the car that you are attracted to. This is why I picked the RS4, sure it has maintenance issues, but if you want to maintain a sports sedan/coupe, a carbon clean for a few hundred won't kill you.
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A C63(big displacement, lots of torque) would have a different character but RS5 and M3, prety similar(small displacement, low torque, high reving)! |
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03-14-2013, 07:15 PM | #35 | |
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I've tested few local "fast"cars and did not find anything exciting about them. Until salesperson mentioned that I'm driving. 600 hp car on Daily basis.
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If you have 12/15 track events being taken by the rs5 than ok. I asked for a source of data given you were giving such specifics such as "slight edge" etc. But makes sense, you really have no personal experience with RS5 |
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03-14-2013, 11:35 PM | #37 | |
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Furthermore, you said "And at the track there has been many tests showing the m3 is faster around a lot of tracks. Moreso than any audi was faster." ...and I asked you to name the tracks and show the times, as I have done. And you duck, as usual. Do everybody a favor, and admit you lied, or post the tracks, etc. Now, we agree that from a roll, the bimmer should be quicker. I said this based on magazine tests, power to weight, and awd vs rwd. You figure this by street racing in your buddy's car. Frankly, I trust my findings vs a single anecdote from a very questionable source. Meaning you. Put up or shut up. Point me to the data showing how the M3 is quicker around "many" tracks. I've had it with your unsupported BS. |
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03-15-2013, 10:49 AM | #38 |
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Agree Bruce, good references. But you have been around long enough to know the rule of the m3post fanboy like this guy. M3>ALL The one good thing I can say for the m3 fanboy is that at least they have passion for their car, that's a good thing. |
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Way to call him out. I for one am fed up with his lack of fact/substance behind his claims!
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Why is that okay? A good launch is part of racing. The two reasons I can think of, for those who street race, are a) there are a lot of kids with FWD that don't launch well, (in which case, man up...), and b) it can be loud and attract official attention - in which case, either man up or don't race. What am I missing? Cheers
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I am actual a fan of Audis, esp the RS cars. Love my car but it was a close call for me between the E90 and RS4. When I first drove the E90 I was also expecting more, mostly the sensation of speed/torque but don't need to rehash that. The RS5, even after a long/hard drive, still left me looking for more. Didn't seem to have that same RS feel that I got from the RS4, but also lacked in many other areas. Also felt pretty large. Great car for sure, but honestly not that "special" to entice me to switch (even after 5 years in my car.)
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Clearly I just don't race enough
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