///M3 e9x Drivers no matter what transmission make your mark about our engine

[phrozen06]

Originally Posted by Lemon Jelly M3

No such thing as a 2013 E90 ///M.
2011 was the latest, like mine!

I stand corrected 2011 E90 ///M.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by enigma01

I am not sure if I agree.



Better in every aspect? It's all speculation, but I can't imagine the rumored EPS being better for instance. Overall, it will most likely be a faster car, but I doubt it'll be categorically better in "every aspect."

You must have very short memory. For example, the S54 (used in e46), which arguably is the best engine to ever grace an M3, was derived from M50 I6, albeit with important modifications (e.g. iron block instead of aluminum).

Want another example? How about the e36, which had the S50, which coincidentally was also based on the M50.

So, having a very unique engine like the S65 (and the S85) is not a historic norm for M cars by any stretch of imagination.




I have no issues with M cars having or sounding like an I6, and I also do understand why BMW is seeking the easy way out by resorting to forced induction.

That's not to say that I don't want to see a beefy V8 under the hood. In fact, I do. And that's the reason why I getting one of the last e92 M3s (late May build).

The concern I have with the new M3/M4 isn't the engine choice, but the overall package. How will the EPS feel, for example. Will it be more isolated (which seems to be direction all the new BMWs are taking, including the new M5)? Will the rumored weight reduction materialize? Too many unknowns at the moment.

Well its not that i have a short memory. Its that i wasn't into BMWs in the early 2000s.

Well i don't remember making a point about the S65 or S85 being the best engines. Again its about being different, but like you said its not normal for BMW. Well i guess that another reason why the e9x will be a classic than.

[highmodulus]

Originally Posted by ShutUpandDrive

A True M3 is Naturally Aspirated. Easiest way to simplify it.

Maybe, but I drove the twin turbo V8 in the new M5 and M6 on the track, and its a "true M" engine to me. Forced induction is fantastic when done correctly. Look at the drive train in the 1M Coupe- that was very well done. And the raves the M135i is getting. I willing to give the M division the benefit of the doubt. Plus with all the awesome tuners in the M3, just think of the crazy things they can get up to with the multi turbo'ed engine!

[Majdnoon]

Originally Posted by highmodulus

A true M3 only has a 4 cylinder engine.
A true M3 only has the proper Euro inline 6, not the detuned one the US got.
A true M3 only has the proper inline from the E46.

And now, a true M3 only has the V8?

How about, a true M3 is the one you bought and love. Coupe, vert or sedan. 6mt or DCT. If anything I will miss the classic steering feel over the EPS units, but things change and the M3 has changed over time-- a lot.

The absolute truth. The only constant, is change.

/thread

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by thedge9

+1

Very true. And to each his own. However, for me personally, I didnt buy a M3, I bought a S65. It just happened to have a car wrapped around it.
I have wanted every version of the M3 since the 80's, each one of them has their own special character as a package. This car however is different, and IMHO the perfect collision of many factors that make this engine one for the ages.

Derived from the BMW S85 V10 engine used in the M5/M6, it shares the same basic architecture and aluminium construction. It was introduced in the E92 M3 and was chosen as International Engine of the Year for the 3.0 to 4.0 L category in 2008, 2009, 2010,[1] 2011, and 2012.

It remains to be seen if the new blown I6 will have such honors bestowed upon it.

I believe the N54 and N55 have won their respective categories many of (if not all) years since release.

That said +1 for loving the S65!

[White person]

I pick A

[scm6079]

The v8 is fun, but I see the world moving to turbos more and more - heck, even F1 is moving from the naturally aspirated v8 to a turbo v6 engine design in 2014.

I voted for the third option with hopes that BMW either uses some sort of energy recovery system or other tricks to get the most out of the turbo and keep the m series as unique and best of breed as possible. In reality, it's too early to tell. Back in the e46 days (I loved my e46, BTW) I thought it was insane to go v8 -- all the weight and such a change in character to the car. Now I own the v8 - and seem to be hearing the old e46 to e92 arguments all over again.

I loved my e30. I loved my e46. I loved my e92 335is. I drive an e92 s65 m3 now -- but in a few years if the M team keeps doing what they've proven to me repeatedly they can do I'll probably love the new engine as well.

I'll miss the sound. I'll miss the sky high redline. I won't miss the twice a week on average fill-ups.

-Scott

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

Its also kind of funny to see the people who really like how they are doing a inline TT 6 are the ones who currently own a inline 6 ROFL. Typical.

Only the current M3 owners really are the ones to get a feel for this car and understand why we all love a V8 .

Dont drive an FBO tuned N54 135i/335i...it pulls like crazy, making the stock S65 feel too civilised for a sports car.

[mdosu]

i don't know about you guys, my plan is to keep this car through 120k.

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by scm6079

even F1 is moving from the naturally aspirated v8 to a turbo v6 engine design in 2014.

True, but this decision wasn't made purely for performance reasons. Everyone who's bought an E9x M3 has effectively said they value performance over efficiency. Both would be nice, but there are always sacrifices when choosing one over the other.

If you haven't ever experienced an F1 race in person, do yourself a favor and get to one this season, before these screaming V-8s are gone.

"The return of the turbo has been in the pipeline for years. The theory is that turbos had more in common with current and future road-car thinking than the existing V-8s, and thus would be more attractive for manufacturers. ...

Todt is keen to use F1 as the FIA's flag bearer for green technologies..."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/racing/r...urbos-are-back

How sweet would it be to have KERS in a road car, though? I'd be hitting that thing like I had a Golden Mushroom!



Does the system on the new F70 (or the upcoming 918 Spyder) have an actual button to activate it, or it is computer-controlled?

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by Ezio

Its also kind of funny to see the people who really like how they are doing a inline TT 6 are the ones who currently own a inline 6 ROFL. Typical.

Only the current M3 owners really are the ones to get a feel for this car and understand why we all love a V8 .

Dont drive an FBO tuned N54 135i/335i...it pulls like crazy, making the stock S65 feel too civilised for a sports car.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by Lute

So much butthurt over turbo cars.

Did you vote option 2 by chance?

[JVP13]

Keep it the same, or bore the V8 out like the GTS to 4.4L and get that 450HP anyway. High revving natural aspirated engines should be in all M cars, especially the bread and butter 3

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by Lute

No

Okay ... just checking Have a super Easter Weekend

[JFWM3]

Nothing sounds sweeter than a hi-revving normally aspirated V8! And if you decide to add forced induction to the S65, you keep the sweet sound and get a significant bump in power.

The twin turbo 6 will offer fewer performance improvement opportunities than the current S65.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by JFWM3

Nothing sounds sweeter than a hi-revving normally aspirated V8! And if you decide to add forced induction to the S65, you keep the sweet sound and get a significant bump in power.

The twin turbo 6 will offer fewer performance improvement opportunities than the current S65.

Right to the point John I cannot wait until your s/c has been added we then we should make a video and a photo shoot ... that be sweet

[alfx]

I will live and die with my 6spd 2012 M3 and always regret selling my 6spd 2003 M3 , which was even more fun.never SMG or turbo or supercharged or 4wd for me

[enigma01]

Originally Posted by davesaddiction

Everyone who's bought an E9x M3 has effectively said they value performance over efficiency.

I think it's more accurate to say we value driver excitement/engagement over pure performance.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by enigma01

I think it's more accurate to say we value driver excitement/engagement over pure performance.

+1 also if we put over $70K of our hard earned money on the table why would any of us be concerned with fuel efficiency

Might we be also saying that we will keep our e9x ///M3 quite a while longer based on the overwhelming 80% vote result?

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by Mr. ///M3 RD

Might we be also saying that we will keep our e9x ///M3 quite a while longer based on the overwhelming 80% vote result?

I plan to keep my a long time (if not all my days!), but I also don't have the means to consider getting the new one when it gets here.

I'm sure, for all the talk, plenty here will jump to the "new hotness" as soon as it's available, despite the FI engine and everything else.

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by davesaddiction

If you haven't ever experienced an F1 race in person, do yourself a favor and get to one this season, before these screaming V-8s are gone.

Apparently even Bernie says the new turbo sixes sound like "lawnmower engine"s.

"Artificial sound enhancement may be coming to F1."

Say it ain't so...

http://jalopnik.com/crappy-sounding-...-get-470972265