///M3 e9x Drivers no matter what transmission make your mark about our engine

[///M Power-Belgium]

I think....we all need to wait !
And when they are there,the new ( ///M3 - ///M4 ) whe have something to compare !
And after a test-drive with these new ones whe can hear and feel something to compare,and than whe can talk again !
Wat i want to say is...now we can not compare...with what ???
With something that is not there ???
So...my conclusion is...wait and see

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by gblansten

My present car is an E92 M3. I remain open minded about the F8X. I will make my judgment when more information is present and I have test driven the car myself. I absolutely love the S65 engine.

The car is mostly likely going to be better in every aspect, but one thing that i really worry about is this.

I really like the uniqueness the S65 engine has. The sound, the high redline etc... Its like the M division car was so much different that the 328i/335i, hell all other models. Really made the car special. The 328i was N/A 6, the 335i is TT 6. which they were kind of the same engine. but one had 70HP over the other. both kind of sounded the same also. And looked the same also.

Same thing with the old V10 M5 and the 5 series. The M5 was total different.

Now that every engine is going turbo and smaller i feel it might take away that unique feel to the M engines.

A BMW inline 6 is going to sound like a BMW inline 6. rather its in a 335i or a 1M.

I am not a fan of the way BMW is going, but i completely understand why they have to go that way.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by Lute

• I am sad to see the last of the true V8’s go on the ///M3
• I don’t care at all what is under that hood up front of my ///M3
• I think the new 6 Cylinder with twin turbo will be just as good if not better

Surely you jest, including the second option

Yes you got me, I had to make it a happy threesome

[enigma01]

I am not sure if I agree.

Originally Posted by Ezio

The car is mostly likely going to be better in every aspect, but one thing that i really worry about is this.

Better in every aspect? It's all speculation, but I can't imagine the rumored EPS being better for instance. Overall, it will most likely be a faster car, but I doubt it'll be categorically better in "every aspect."

Originally Posted by Ezio

I really like the uniqueness the S65 engine has. The sound, the high redline etc... Its like the M division car was so much different that the 328i/335i, hell all other models. Really made the car special. The 328i was N/A 6, the 335i is TT 6. which they were kind of the same engine. but one had 70HP over the other. both kind of sounded the same also. And looked the same also.

Same thing with the old V10 M5 and the 5 series. The M5 was total different.

You must have very short memory. For example, the S54 (used in e46), which arguably is the best engine to ever grace an M3, was derived from M50 I6, albeit with important modifications (e.g. iron block instead of aluminum).

Want another example? How about the e36, which had the S50, which coincidentally was also based on the M50.

So, having a very unique engine like the S65 (and the S85) is not a historic norm for M cars by any stretch of imagination.

Originally Posted by Ezio

Now that every engine is going turbo and smaller i feel it might take away that unique feel to the M engines.

A BMW inline 6 is going to sound like a BMW inline 6. rather its in a 335i or a 1M.

I am not a fan of the way BMW is going, but i completely understand why they have to go that way.

I have no issues with M cars having or sounding like an I6, and I also do understand why BMW is seeking the easy way out by resorting to forced induction.

That's not to say that I don't want to see a beefy V8 under the hood. In fact, I do. And that's the reason why I getting one of the last e92 M3s (late May build).

The concern I have with the new M3/M4 isn't the engine choice, but the overall package. How will the EPS feel, for example. Will it be more isolated (which seems to be direction all the new BMWs are taking, including the new M5)? Will the rumored weight reduction materialize? Too many unknowns at the moment.

[highmodulus]

A true M3 only has a 4 cylinder engine.
A true M3 only has the proper Euro inline 6, not the detuned one the US got.
A true M3 only has the proper inline from the E46.

And now, a true M3 only has the V8?

How about, a true M3 is the one you bought and love. Coupe, vert or sedan. 6mt or DCT. If anything I will miss the classic steering feel over the EPS units, but things change and the M3 has changed over time-- a lot.

[Eau Rouge]

Voted

There are many interesting comments in this thread.

My guess is that twenty or twenty five years from now will the grand kid that's a noob car enthusiast be more interested in seeing, hearing, driving one of BMW's first generation turdbro M3/M4 or the last of the naturally aspirated screaming variety? Grand kid: Pops, why didn't you keep that V8?

[Nordstat]

Originally Posted by W///

That quote was about the RS5 (aka nemesis), but I guess that can apply to M3 too

Actually, I was quoting the one about the Maserati Quatroporte (sp?) during their super sedan test...but I felt it appropriate for the s65.

[thedge9]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

Will never sell this car. It's the only V8 NA M engine. Basically a smaller version of the S85 V10 power plant.

Although turbos go against the original M philosophy IMO, I knew it was going that route. Torque plus higher efficiency and less emissions is the new "green".

+1

Originally Posted by highmodulus

A true M3 only has a 4 cylinder engine.
A true M3 only has the proper Euro inline 6, not the detuned one the US got.
A true M3 only has the proper inline from the E46.

And now, a true M3 only has the V8?

How about, a true M3 is the one you bought and love. Coupe, vert or sedan. 6mt or DCT. If anything I will miss the classic steering feel over the EPS units, but things change and the M3 has changed over time-- a lot.

Very true. And to each his own. However, for me personally, I didn’t buy a M3, I bought a S65. It just happened to have a car wrapped around it.
I have wanted every version of the M3 since the 80's, each one of them has their own special character as a package. This car however is different, and IMHO the perfect collision of many factors that make this engine one for the ages.

Derived from the BMW S85 V10 engine used in the M5/M6, it shares the same basic architecture and aluminium construction. It was introduced in the E92 M3 and was chosen as International Engine of the Year for the 3.0 to 4.0 L category in 2008, 2009, 2010,[1] 2011, and 2012.

It remains to be seen if the new blown I6 will have such honors bestowed upon it.

[UCBPhD]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

Will never sell this car. It's the only V8 NA M engine.

Likewise. I have already sold too many classic vehicles . . .

[CSanto]

Originally Posted by highmodulus

A true M3 only has a 4 cylinder engine.
A true M3 only has the proper Euro inline 6, not the detuned one the US got.
A true M3 only has the proper inline from the E46.

And now, a true M3 only has the V8?

How about, a true M3 is the one you bought and love. Coupe, vert or sedan. 6mt or DCT. If anything I will miss the classic steering feel over the EPS units, but things change and the M3 has changed over time-- a lot.

I'm happy someone said it.

I'm not sure I'll care when I dont have to rev the balls off the engine to get any power out of it. I definitely need some torque in my life.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

We actually have 2 that voted number 2 ... they must be none M3 drivers

[Eau Rouge]

Originally Posted by Mr. ///M3 RD

We actually have 2 that voted number 2 ... they must be none M3 drivers

Maybe they're more concerned with what's in the back (e.g. VW Beetle).

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

It's going to suck not having that V8 make the noises it does.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by highmodulus

A true M3 only has a 4 cylinder engine.
A true M3 only has the proper Euro inline 6, not the detuned one the US got.
A true M3 only has the proper inline from the E46.

And now, a true M3 only has the V8?

How about, a true M3 is the one you bought and love. Coupe, vert or sedan. 6mt or DCT. If anything I will miss the classic steering feel over the EPS units, but things change and the M3 has changed over time-- a lot.

A True M3 is Naturally Aspirated. Easiest way to simplify it.

[Eau Rouge]

Originally Posted by ShutUpandDrive

A True M3 is Naturally Aspirated. Easiest way to simplify it.

With the next generation's coupe having M4 on the back end, it's a moot point.

[LemonOne]

Originally Posted by Eau Rouge

With the next generation's coupe having M4 on the back end, it's a moot point.

You need to stop, seriously

[LemonOne]

Originally Posted by phrozen06

I like my 08 ///M3 so much, I'll eventually buy a 2013 E90 ///M. I do wonder how bmw will tune the twin turbo V6. If it sounds like the GTR then woah.

No such thing as a 2013 E90 ///M.
2011 was the latest, like mine!

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by Eau Rouge

Grand kid: Pops, why didn't you keep that V8?

I just hope, for the love of all things holy, that kid actually has the desire to drive a car.

I've been seeing a lot of press about the current generation coming of legal driving age not being that interested in getting their license or owning a car of their own, not to mention all this self-driving car technology. What's the world coming to?

I guess as long at there are Hot Wheels, there will be little gearheads in training.

[Eau Rouge]

Originally Posted by Lemon Jelly M3

You need to stop, seriously

Originally Posted by davesaddiction

I just hope, for the love of all things holy, that kid actually has the desire to drive a car.

I've been seeing a lot of press about the current generation coming of legal driving age not being that interested in getting their license or owning a car of their own, not to mention all this self-driving car technology. What's the world coming to?

I guess as long at there are Hot Wheels, there will be little gearheads in training.

Yup. Some will be exceptions, but generally that's the mood of the younger ones today. Hook 'em early with toy cars, etc..,

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

No thanks on the turdbro I6 BMW.

Theres not going to be much that makes the M4 stand out from the regular 4 series in my opinion.

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

We have another NO. 2 Vote ... I cannot believe it

[phrozen06]

Originally Posted by thedge9

It remains to be seen if the new blown I6 will have such honors bestowed upon it.

If it's as tuneable as the GTR motor then it definitely will be.