Early 2008 E92 6MT vs 2011 E92 ZCP DCT

[dmk08]

Hey Guys,

This isn't to flame any type of car or start any war it's just something I'm trying to clarify something I read. I know the new M3/M4 will still roast an E9x in all ways so please don't think I'm trying to state otherwise.

I always read that the new M3/M4 is '15 seconds faster' around the Ring than the previous E9x. With a time of 7:50 that is a 15 second increase from the Wikipedia reported test of a 2008 6MT car that ran an 8:05. It got me thinking what would a DCT car run. I read on another forum yesterday that a 2011 ZCP DCT was able to run a 7:56.

Has anyone else heard of a result like this? Do you think it's possible there could be such a difference? I really care more about this number to rub it in my IS-F friends face since they run a 8:16 or something

[JRV]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Hey Guys,

This isn't to flame any type of car or start any war it's just something I'm trying to clarify something I read. I know the new M3/M4 will still roast an E9x in all ways so please don't think I'm trying to state otherwise.

I always read that the new M3/M4 is '15 seconds faster' around the Ring than the previous E9x. With a time of 7:50 that is a 15 second increase from the Wikipedia reported test of a 2008 6MT car that ran an 8:05. It got me thinking what would a DCT car run. I read on another forum yesterday that a 2011 ZCP DCT was able to run a 7:56.

Has anyone else heard of a result like this? Do you think it's possible there could be such a difference? I really care more about this number to rub it in my IS-F friends face since they run a 8:16 or something

If you could can you find where you read it? Interesting. I know there was an e92 that did BTG at 7:19 which is about 7:44 full lap with just better tires, bigger brakes and custom suspension. Otherwise engine was stock.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by JRV

If you could can you find where you read it? Interesting. I know there was an e92 that did BTG at 7:19 which is about 7:44 full lap with just better tires, bigger brakes and custom suspension. Otherwise engine was stock.

not sure what a DCT could do, probably a little quicker. don't think that the zcp package does anything whatsoever for performance.

but honestly, r compounds, bbk and suspension make a very big difference on the track, specifically a long one like this one. much more of a difference than say an extra 30 hp from a tune and no cats.

[JRV]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

not sure what a DCT could do, probably a little quicker. don't think that the zcp package does anything whatsoever for performance.

but honestly, r compounds, bbk and suspension make a very big difference on the track, specifically a long one like this one. much more of a difference than say an extra 30 hp from a tune and no cats.

Yes I understand it's not stock. But worth mentioning for anyone else interested in what really makes the car move on the track besides Jenny Craig.

[8k3]

Tires, brakes, suspension. You will smoke an M4. Power is great but if you can't get it to the ground it does nothing. Handling is everything on the track. Our cars are incredibly capable once you have the 3 mods I mentioned

[///mawana]

Originally Posted by 8k3

Tires, brakes, suspension. You will smoke an M4

Not happening! Unless driver error!

[8k3]

Originally Posted by ///mawana

Not happening! Unless driver error!

Really? The OP just posted the DCT ZCP M3 did 7:56, M4 7:50. Go to clubsports or ohlins and proper tires with a bbk and there is no contest. 40-50hp isn't going to make up on a technical track like that. Straight line is a different story

[W///]

Originally Posted by 8k3

Really? The OP just posted the DCT ZCP M3 did 7:56, M4 7:50. Go to clubsports or ohlins and proper tires with a bbk and there is no contest. 40-50hp isn't going to make up on a technical track like that. Straight line is a different story

"You will smoke an M4", those are your words.

1) You forgot that M4 has much more capables than E9x. As good as Porsche brakes. Haven't driven on the track, but guys with more experience than you and I say that there's no need to upgrade as badly as with E9x
2) Ohlins, ok I'll let you have that
3) If I'm not mistaken the 8:05 times were with cup tires. I've never heard of an E9x breaking the 8 minute barrier.

I don't see the V8 keeping up with the S55 unless you have a supercharger.

[JRV]

Originally Posted by W///

"You will smoke an M4", those are your words.

1) You forgot that M4 has much more capables than E9x. As good as Porsche brakes. Haven't driven on the track, but guys with more experience than you and I say that there's no need to upgrade as badly as with E9x
2) Ohlins, ok I'll let you have that
3) If I'm not mistaken the 8:05 times were with cup tires. I've never heard of an E9x breaking the 8 minute barrier.

I don't see the V8 keeping up with the S55 unless you have a supercharger.

I love you bro but unless we are talking straight line there is no need for more power. The E9X has posted better times at the Ring with BBK, upgraded suspension and stickier tires alone as I mentioned before. It happened.
With that said, What exactly did ZCP do for the E9X? Wasn't it a tuned suspension and drop? So no bigger breaks and pretty much same tires. It's safe to assume a ZCP can do better (unless BMW tuned it to be worse because their knuckleheads) than 8:05 but how much we won't know.
However if dkm can find the link to the ZCP running 7:56 then that would be give us the answer if it's real.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by JRV

I love you bro but unless we are talking straight line there is no need for more power. The E9X has posted better times at the Ring with BBK, upgraded suspension and stickier tires alone as I mentioned before. It happened.
With that said, What exactly did ZCP do for the E9X? Wasn't it a tuned suspension and drop? So no bigger breaks and pretty much same tires. It's safe to assume a ZCP can do better (unless BMW tuned it to be worse because their knuckleheads) than 8:05 but how much we won't know.
However if dkm can find the link to the ZCP running 7:56 then that would be give us the answer if it's real.

Yeah I didn't post the link earlier because there was no proof on the link. I was wondering if there was proof out there.

Poster says "The tyres point is entirely valid. The CSL was on full Cup tyres, whereas the E92 as tested was not.

The Competition Package E92 M3 can achieve 7:56 on standard tyres, versus the CSLs 7:50 on Cups."

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...t=E46+v+e92+m3

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

not sure what a DCT could do, probably a little quicker. don't think that the zcp package does anything whatsoever for performance.

but honestly, r compounds, bbk and suspension make a very big difference on the track, specifically a long one like this one. much more of a difference than say an extra 30 hp from a tune and no cats.

Wider wheels and tires. Lower with stiffer springs and struts. I'm guessing it's a little better but 10s is pretty far fetched. IF the # is true DCT probably has a lot to do with it.

[W///]

Originally Posted by JRV

I love you bro but unless we are talking straight line there is no need for more power. The E9X has posted better times at the Ring with BBK, upgraded suspension and stickier tires alone as I mentioned before. It happened.
With that said, What exactly did ZCP do for the E9X? Wasn't it a tuned suspension and drop? So no bigger breaks and pretty much same tires. It's safe to assume a ZCP can do better (unless BMW tuned it to be worse because their knuckleheads) than 8:05 but how much we won't know.
However if dkm can find the link to the ZCP running 7:56 then that would be give us the answer if it's real.

Like I said, I'm don't pay too much attention to lap times, but I could have sworn that 8:05 time was done WITH stickier tires, which is a pretty huge difference. So to gain an extra 10 seconds on top of that? Hmm

ZCP adds a 10mm drop (insignificant), and reworked MDM (which I'm assuming who is ever driving the Ring professionally will turn it off). So there should be absolutely minimal advantage with ZCP over Civic M3.

[Alex07M3]

15sec on a 8min lap is not much when you think that the E9x had 245/265 PS2s instead of 255/275 PSSs and manual instead of DCT!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

15sec on a 8min lap is not much when you think that the E9x had 245/265 PS2s instead of 255/275 PSSs and manual instead of DCT!

My ZCP has 265s in the rear. My non ZCP had 255 I believe.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

15sec on a 8min lap is not much when you think that the E9x had 245/265 PS2s instead of 255/275 PSSs and manual instead of DCT!

Originally Posted by dmk08

My ZCP has 265s in the rear. My non ZCP had 255 I believe.

They came with 245/265, aka exactly same tires as non ZCP. It's just that the rims themselves were wider.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

My ZCP has 265s in the rear. My non ZCP had 255 I believe.

nop, tires are the same on both version, just the ZCP had .5 wider wheels front end rear

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by W///

They came with 245/265, aka exactly same tires as non ZCP. It's just that the rims themselves were wider.

damn, wish my post had came up on top of yours! LOL

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

damn, wish my post had came up on top of yours! LOL

That wouldn't make sense as I was replying to you saying 275s...

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

That wouldn't make sense as I was replying to you saying 275s...

not sure I understand, what would'nt make sense?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

not sure I understand, what would'nt make sense?

Your post coming on top of mine.. Keep it together man!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Your post coming on top of mine.. Keep it together man!

no, I was speeking to W// because we wrote the same thing at the same time! lol

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