E92 M3 vs M4

mowmentous · 10-03-2013, 01:32 PM

What are your thoughts on the performance difference between the two cars? Yes I know we have yet to see any real numbers (dyno's, 1/4 miles, 'ring lap times) so this will be largely speculative, but with the recent M4 technical details release I think we all have a pretty good idea of how it will perform. Clearly it will be quicker to 60, 1/4 mile, etc... but by how much? Your thoughts?

Longboarder · 10-03-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mowmentous

What are your thoughts on the performance difference between the two cars? Yes I know we have yet to see any real numbers (dyno's, 1/4 miles, 'ring lap times) so this will be largely speculative, but with the recent M4 technical details release I think we all have a pretty good idea of how it will perform. Clearly it will be quicker to 60, 1/4 mile, etc... but by how much? Your thoughts?

Track times are the ones that matter to most of us here. 0-60 and 1/4 mile are not as relevant because the people that buy this car typically do not intended them to be a drag car. Roll-on speed is what matters most, so I supposed if you are looking for something, 60-130 is probably the most relevant.

Off-the-line speed (0-60, 1/4 mile, etc) is a function of traction, so it will largely depend on driver/tires/conditions.

Haywood · 10-03-2013, 01:44 PM

Tons of threads already. I'm more interested in seeing a DCT vs. Manual thread. I don't think anyone has done that.

InterJon · 10-03-2013, 03:05 PM

E92 M3 DCT v. F82 M3 6MT, fight!

Denk · 10-03-2013, 03:11 PM

It'll be a fraction of a sec faster but...will it be as fun getting there?

positiveions · 10-03-2013, 04:19 PM

here we go again.

Denk · 10-03-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by positiveions

here we go again.

OMG yes...wait until it's actually released. It'll be absolutely nuts with comparisons! It's all good fun though.

dmk08 · 10-04-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Denk

OMG yes...wait until it's actually released. It'll be absolutely nuts with comparisons! It's all good fun though.

Why wouldn't you compare the previous generation of a car to the next generation?

1MOREMOD · 10-04-2013, 01:05 PM

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Why wouldn't you compare the previous generation of a car to the next generation?

we all will but doesnt make sense to do so before it exists.

DopeM3 · 10-04-2013, 01:12 PM

E92 will beat the F82 hands down

dmk08 · 10-04-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

we all will but doesnt make sense to do so before it exists.

Yep he said when it's released.

jaehshim · 10-04-2013, 02:21 PM

Knowing what the BMW has done so far, the new M3 will be a beast.

I'm a person who still hates the new M3 platform (minus the weight change), but after observing much talk and debate, I'm actually glad that the new M4 is built that way.

The way of power delivery will be completely different, both in good and bad ways, and hence the feel to the driving will be very different.

But to the turbo-wannabe M3 fans, this new M3 will still be disappointed in 0-60 performance. It will be slower than C63 AMG, it will most likely be slower than the new C63 with turbo engine, and of course the GTR.

Going back to my point, M3 has been at its best with sharp suspension, strong chassis, NA engine with throttle body, making it the perfect track car, in that the power + chassis+ suspension works harmoniously to not only having so and so power but more importantly putting that power down on the road. This was the M way, at least from the beginning till the E9X days.

Denk · 10-04-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Why wouldn't you compare the previous generation of a car to the next generation?

We're in the pre-game show to the superbowl. The post-game show will be crazy...like I said, it's all good fun.

ki__ · 10-04-2013, 08:31 PM

"Chris Harris took some keys of the new M4, but is it any good? I suppose the only way to know is to compare it to.. let's say a E92 M3. Yeah that'll work."

We'll see it soon enough.. Don't worry.

Kyoso_Joey · 10-04-2013, 10:56 PM

Turbo cars > N/A cars. The difference will be significant in acceleration but I would like to know the difference in steering feel and input. I feel as if the E9x M3 model could have benefited from a heavier steering feel.

1MOREMOD · 10-04-2013, 11:14 PM

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My thoughts are since no normal citizens have driven the M4, this thread is pointless.

I drove one. It goes 0-60 in 1.8 seconds and the quarter mile in 9.5 but turbo lag is terrible.

RingMeister01 · 10-05-2013, 05:16 AM

And it's powered by plutonium

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red998 · 10-05-2013, 09:26 AM

other future favorite threads M4/M3 vs 435xicsl///M and
why the F80/82 suck versus the 435xicsl model

in truth we know the E9x platform is the best. MartinD and Nelson proved it by making those crazy cars and then BMW Gmbh decided to follow what they did.

BMW M group will again look to MartinD and Nelson like car lovers to further evolve the next series which will be no where as great as our E9x.

F1Venom · 10-05-2013, 09:49 AM

The new Corolla will be amazing.

blankstar43 · 10-05-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

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Originally Posted by Lute

My thoughts are since no normal citizens have driven the M4, this thread is pointless.

I drove one. It goes 0-60 in 1.8 seconds and the quarter mile in 9.5 but turbo lag is terrible.

With those kind of numbers I'm sold, ill order 3 plz

Ashley Schaeffer BMW · 10-05-2013, 11:32 AM

With only 50% original parts, it wont be as big a performance gap from the 435i ---> M4 as there was the 335i----> M3.

It will also feature numb electric steering and turbo farts. I dont care about shaving .3 seconds off the 0-60 time like most the drag racers here do though.

FormulaMMM · 10-05-2013, 03:36 PM

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I dont care about shaving .3 seconds off the 0-60 time like most the drag racers here do though.

You don't live your life a quarter mile at a time?

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