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[LarThaL]

VERY light tire. 21 lbs for 245/35/19 and 24lbs for 265/35/19. This is lighter than any other max performance tire I could find. It is actually rated pretty well too per the tire rack. Only the Michelin PSS rated better overall. Anyone know anything about this tire?

[BMW Fanatic]

Aside from the speed rating I don't even see any advantages the PSS has over these. But then again who's going to hit 300kph+ for DD and such. They even have a greater treadwear rating than the PSS and clock in $300~ cheaper. In respect to OEM fitments.

Would be great if they came out with a 295/30/19 to run in the rear. Then I could have my perfect set-up of 255/35/19 fronts and 295/30/19 rears on BBS FI.

[LarThaL]

Originally Posted by BMW Fanatic

Aside from the speed rating I don't even see any advantages the PSS has over these. But then again who's going to hit 300kph+ for DD and such. They even have a greater treadwear rating than the PSS and clock in $300~ cheaper. In respect to OEM fitments.

Would be great if they came out with a 295/30/19 to run in the rear. Then I could have my perfect set-up of 255/35/19 fronts and 295/30/19 rears on BBS FI.

I am looking at 245/35 and 285/30 to go on my ZCP wheels. Those tires on BBS FI would be some serious weight reduction and increased grip.

[akina335]

It is a very light tire, which is why I got them. But if I were to do it all over again, I wouldn't get these. In my experience I find them to be soft and the steering response got worse. However, they are a very quiet tire.

[Denk]

I had them on my e46, they were ok but prefered the old Michelin Pilot Sport better on that car. The DW's steering response was my gripe, not as crisp, a little numb feeling in comparison to the old PS's. I imagine they'd behave the same way on my e92.

[Ateam]

Is this the conti that comes on the stock cars for some of them if you dont get michelin or pirelli

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Ateam

Is this the conti that comes on the stock cars for some of them if you dont get michelin or pirelli

No, the Contis that come on the M3 are the SportContact3s. This is what my car came with and I find my Nitto Invo to be better than these.

Dave

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Ateam

Is this the conti that comes on the stock cars for some of them if you dont get michelin or pirelli

No, that is conti sport contact.

I used these dw tires on my old e46 m3 and agree with the other comments. The ride quality is good, but I did notice that steering feel was vague and noticeably lighter which I personally really disliked.

My re-11s in comparison are worlds better.

[Ateam]

How do the Dw's compare to the sportcontact 3's?

Also am I doing a disservice by sticking with sportcontact 3 tires instead of replacing wtih PSS?

My rears need replacing soon, fronts have tons of tread but would have to buy 4 tires to go pss v just 2 with the conti's. Wondering if I should just take the hit

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Ateam

How do the Dw's compare to the sportcontact 3's?

Also am I doing a disservice by sticking with sportcontact 3 tires instead of replacing wtih PSS?

My rears need replacing soon, fronts have tons of tread but would have to buy 4 tires to go pss v just 2 with the conti's. Wondering if I should just take the hit

I would probably just wait until you have to replace all 4 which would be the next go around. The difference is not that great..

Dave

[roy@acuteperformance]

I would recommend the Michelin PSS because IMO it's the best overall high performance daily driver tire.

[smmmurf]

Originally Posted by roy@acuteperformance

I would recommend the Michelin PSS because IMO it's the best overall high performance daily driver tire.

PSS is a very high performance tire, however: I have the PSS and would recommend against the PSS unless you drive it on the track or exceptionally hard on the street.

The Conti is the better daily driver tire, the PSS is the better occasional track/hard driving tire. Having tried the Conti, the Conti is much more comfortable and compliant over broken pavement and bumps.

[ben@tirerack]

The DW is light, and has a good grip level. Grip is roughly equivalent to a PS2 (not PSS, which is stickier). The weight they saved seems to have come at the expense of sidewall stiffness.

Steering feel and ride characteristics are often a matter of personal taste. The DW has a slightly softer feel than other tires of similar grip level. Whether that is a good or a bad thing depends on the driver.

[sensi09]

Great for the price and similar to the post above, if you're a mild mannered driver, it's more than enough for the street. However, if you wish to push the car some, even if the instances are few, the upgrade to the PS2 and the like is worth the price.

And just to mention, on another car, I only got about 21K miles on a set of rear DWs. Given the tread rating, I was expecting a bit more. Not that many miles above say a PS2.

[smmmurf]

Originally Posted by sensi09

Great for the price and similar to the post above, if you're a mild mannered driver, it's more than enough for the street. However, if you wish to push the car some, even if the instances are few, the upgrade to the PS2 and the like is worth the price.

And just to mention, on another car, I only got about 21K miles on a set of rear DWs. Given the tread rating, I was expecting a bit more. Not that many miles above say a PS2.

Does the car still break away progressively? Could you please describe how the steering feels compared to a PS2? I am most interested in ride quality and less impact harshness.

Thanks!!

[smmmurf]

Originally Posted by ben@tirerack

The DW is light, and has a good grip level. Grip is roughly equivalent to a PS2 (not PSS, which is stickier). The weight they saved seems to have come at the expense of sidewall stiffness.

Ben, how is wet grip vs. PS2, PSS that I have on my car now?

How do the DW and DWS compare in ride? I hear the DWS has some issues with out of round tires and flatspotting. I have them on a 745Li but no experience with the M3.

[sensi09]

Originally Posted by smmmurf

Does the car still break away progressively? Could you please describe how the steering feels compared to a PS2? I am most interested in ride quality and less impact harshness.

Thanks!!

Tires were on a different car, but they were much more comfortable than re050A pole positions. I'd like to say they're not as responsive as PS2s, but again a different car so hard to compare.

[ben@tirerack]

Originally Posted by smmmurf

Ben, how is wet grip vs. PS2, PSS that I have on my car now?

How do the DW and DWS compare in ride? I hear the DWS has some issues with out of round tires and flatspotting. I have them on a 745Li but no experience with the M3.

PSS has better wet grip than either PS2 or DW.
DW has more wet grip than the PS2 in our testing.

Continental makes good tires, but they do have more out of round issues than Michelin, which has the best track record for uniformity in roundness and balance.

Link to test results from PSS and DW tested on E92 (non M):
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...&affiliate=AW8

Link to test results with PS2 and DW:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...&affiliate=AW8

Note that the DW puts up lower numbers in the test vs the PS2. This is likely due to cooler temperatures on test day (october 2010 vs june of 2011)

[smmmurf]

Originally Posted by ben@tirerack

PSS has better wet grip than either PS2 or DW.
DW has more wet grip than the PS2 in our testing.

Continental makes good tires, but they do have more out of round issues than Michelin, which has the best track record for uniformity in roundness and balance.

Link to test results from PSS and DW tested on E92 (non M):
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...&affiliate=AW8

Link to test results with PS2 and DW:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...&affiliate=AW8

Note that the DW puts up lower numbers in the test vs the PS2. This is likely due to cooler temperatures on test day (october 2010 vs june of 2011)

Thanks Ben.

So after driving on the Michelin Super Sports I ordered from TireRack in April on broken Northern California pavement, I'm very impressed by the performance but sick of the crappy ride.

I'm determined to get a more civil tire for daily driving. I'll keep the Michelins on my RAC wheels and run the OEM's with something else for the rest of the time.

Do you know of anything that is made in M3 sizes (18") with great ride characteristics? I don't care about outright grip very much. Just good road manners and ok/decent steering response.

Could I run a 225/45R18 front and 245/45R18 rear Continental DWS on stock 18x8.5 and 18x9.5 wheels for optimal ride? Less grip than stock is fine. Just something that won't chunk badly when driven hard preferably.

Thanks!!

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by smmmurf

Thanks Ben.

So after driving on the Michelin Super Sports I ordered from TireRack in April on broken Northern California pavement, I'm very impressed by the performance but sick of the crappy ride.

I'm determined to get a more civil tire for daily driving. I'll keep the Michelins on my RAC wheels and run the OEM's with something else for the rest of the time.

Do you know of anything that is made in M3 sizes (18") with great ride characteristics? I don't care about outright grip very much. Just good road manners and ok/decent steering response.

Could I run a 225/45R18 front and 245/45R18 rear Continental DWS on stock 18x8.5 and 18x9.5 wheels for optimal ride? Less grip than stock is fine. Just something that won't chunk badly when driven hard preferably.

Thanks!!

I run 255/40 and 235/40 snows on stock 18s and would not go any narrower on those width wheels.

[ben@tirerack]

Originally Posted by smmmurf

Thanks Ben.

So after driving on the Michelin Super Sports I ordered from TireRack in April on broken Northern California pavement, I'm very impressed by the performance but sick of the crappy ride.

I'm determined to get a more civil tire for daily driving. I'll keep the Michelins on my RAC wheels and run the OEM's with something else for the rest of the time.

Do you know of anything that is made in M3 sizes (18") with great ride characteristics? I don't care about outright grip very much. Just good road manners and ok/decent steering response.

Could I run a 225/45R18 front and 245/45R18 rear Continental DWS on stock 18x8.5 and 18x9.5 wheels for optimal ride? Less grip than stock is fine. Just something that won't chunk badly when driven hard preferably.

Thanks!!

Going back to 18" will help your ride.

225/45R18 and 245/45R18 will have smaller volume of air than the 245/40R18 and 265/40R18 since they are narrower but the same height. So those would give a worse ride.

Conti DW or Hankook Ventus V12 would be solid picks for tires with good daily driver performance and smoother ride.

[midlifecrisis]

I'm running DWs on my M3, and I"m very pleased. They're much quieter than the PS2 and seem to keep their grip at lower temps. I remember the PS2's getting very slippery below 40 degrees, and it doesn't seem to be a problem with the Conti's. The ride is a little softer with the DWs, but I like it on the street. I'm running RE-11s for track, which are stiffer than both the Conti and the PS2. They also don't seem to be as greasy as the PS2's after a long track session. I haven't tried the DWs on the track.

Ben was a big help in making this decision, and I'm very pleased with my combination.