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Hey Forest, don't try to hard to read into what people say, what I said was that I hope it gets worked out, translation being "in future years/models" not on my friend's specific car, since he has ALREADY returned it! Maybe he did get a fluke, but that was the experience that he had. It's not BS, and I'm not trying to be a prick, but don't be so quick to slam someone.
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DO not get me wrong, I lust for this new E92 especially the engine, but it would be even better if they made it the way it was in the old days. If you are a long time reader of Roundel magazine, you know what I am talking about. |
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06-08-2007, 12:53 AM | #25 |
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Continue to read on other forums about BMW no longer giving CPO status to the e60 M5 nor to the future e92 M. In addition, BMW is apparently no longer offering extended warranties to these cars? I guess the E46 M and M Coupe are the last to offer these vitaly important warranty options. If this is the case, it may be time to look elsewhere. These warranties were a major factor as to why I considered BMW over other manufactures. Anyone heard different?
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You guys are confusing Extended MAINTENANCE with Extended WARRANTY.
These are two completely separate and different things. Maintenance is the regular upkeep of the vehicle, ie., oil changes, air filter changes, fuel filter changes, brakes, brake fluid flushes, coolant flushes, spark plugs, differential oil changes, transmission oil changes, belts, gaskets, and hoses. It has NOTHING to do with a warranty (which only covers manufacturing defects or workmanship issues). Not allowing M cars to extend the maintenance plan is just BMW trying to make more money. It has nothing to do with the reliability of the vehicle or its engine. As for not CPO'ing M cars, I've never heard that. I've seen countless M5's that have CPO status so I don't know where that rumour originated from.
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06-08-2007, 10:11 AM | #29 | |
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If your piston ring blows or VANOS decides to ruin your valves at 80k, and if you have 100k extended warranty, you will be covered assuming you haven't gone over the allowed number of years. That's the kind of thing I think people are talking about (correct me if someone else has explicitly mentioned something that goes against this)--not scheduled maintanence such as oil changes or belt replacements. And that's the kind of thing that really drains your budget. And that has everything to do with the reliability of an engine. |
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06-08-2007, 10:22 AM | #30 | |
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At any rate ruff's original claim was that BMW was discontinuing: - extended maintentance - extended warranty - CPO Although he doesn't seem to be in a hurry to provide any proof to those claims. I notice he's also joining the "let's dog BMW" party in the JD Power thread on E90Post. So how 'bout some links, ruff? |
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However, no where has it been stated from an official BMW source that those vehicles cannot be Certified Pre-Owned or ineligible for the Original Owner Protection warranties offered by BMW. I will continue my research on these two items but thus far I have come up with anything saying anything to that effect.
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Ok, apparently extended warranty offerings are regulated on a state by state basis. For example, Florida does not allow non-insurance companies to sell extended warranties as they deem them as a form of insurance. Therefore, BMW dealers cannot sell the BMW extended warranty as BMW is not an insurance company. So a lot of dealers sell third-party (aftermarket) extended warranties. However, NY views extended warranties on vehicles as simply extended warranties and holds no ties whatsoever to insurance. So, NY BMW dealers can sell the BMW warranty without issue.
In a nutshell, check with your particular state to see their stance on vehicle extended warranties.
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Oh, and for the record, BMW has been offering maintenance plan upgrades since 2000. Back then they had a 4yr/50k extension (since the cars only came with a 3yr/36k maintenance plan) and the 6yr/100k extension.
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06-08-2007, 11:14 PM | #37 | |
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I can't understand why people would purchase a maintenance plan upgrade since that would only cover items that would need to be dealt with during scheduled maintenance, and it is clear what those items are, so there should really be no ambiguity about how much they will cost and when. So, it sounds like some people want to pay for all that up front for some reason rather than paying for them each time they go to the dealer. Maybe the only exception I can think of is the brakes since that does depend on how you drive. Does paying up front result in some kind of overall discount? Am I missing something here?
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The Maintenance Plan Upgrade (MPU) is only going to run you $1895 which extends the coverage to a total of 6 years or 100k miles, whichever comes first, and covers all of those expensive services.
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So, it would seem that with the breaks and Inspection II, the MPU is about $4k in value, and costs $1.9k. This says 2 things: 1) Maintenance margins at BMW dealers are huge, so they can still make money at 50% discount; and/or 2) A significant portion of the people who purchase the MPU do not actually use it in full. Anyway, thanks for the info. |
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