M3 overweight?

ruff · 01-13-2008, 03:54 PM

People around here have been massaging all kinds of numbers trying to say the e92 M3 weighs in the 3500-3600 lbs range. Then BMW shatters our hopes with actual numbers...3704, bad BMW.

Lets crunch some real numbers. 335 weighs in at 3571, with no carbon fiber roof, no aluminum hood, and no extensive use of aluminum in the suspension. Now lets look at the portly 4 door 5 series, specifically the 535. It weighs in at 3660 with a 6 MT and 3703 with a slushbox or 1 lb less than the the M3 with a 6 MT, with no carbon fiber roof, no aluminum hood, and no extensive use of aluminum suspension parts. This is an affront to long time M enthusiasts and shows the effectiveness of M's smoke and mirrors marketing hullabaloo about weight savings, while at the same time, they continue their focused campaign of burdening their Motor Sport Icon with every creature comfort known to man. And if you add 50 lbs for an absolute stripper M-DCT M3, it should weigh in at at whalish 3754 lbs... 94 lbs more than a stripper 5 series. So how much will a decently loaded or worse yet a fully loaded DCT M3 weigh?...well it is starting to enter super yacht territory known as the 7 series.

Now what does a Cayman S weigh?.. 2976 lbs or about 778 lbs less than a stripper E92 M3 with M-DCT technology.

Is a diet in order?

mofomat · 01-13-2008, 04:00 PM

Oh dear. Where to start with this post?

savage.ulm1 · 01-13-2008, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff

People around here have been massaging all kinds of numbers trying to say the e92 M3 weighs in the 3500-3600 lbs range. Then BMW shatters our hopes with actual numbers...3704, bad BMW.

Lets crunch some real numbers. 335 weighs in at 3571, with no carbon fiber roof, no aluminum hood, and no extensive use of aluminum in the suspension. Now lets look at the portly 4 door 5 series, specifically the 535. It weighs in at 3660 with a 6 MT and 3703 with a slushbox or 1 lb less than the the M3 with a 6 MT, with no carbon fiber roof, no aluminum hood, and no extensive use of aluminum suspension parts. This is an affront to long time M enthusiasts and shows the effectiveness of M's smoke and mirrors marketing hulla balloo about weight savings, while at the same time, they continue their focused campaign of burdening their Motor Sport Icon with every creature comfort known to man. And if you add 50 lbs for an absolute stripper M-DCT M3, it should weigh in at at whalish 3754 lbs... 94 lbs more than a stripper 5 series. So how much will a decently loaded or worse yet a fully loaded DCT M3 weigh?...well it is starting to enter super yacht territory known as the 7 series.

Now what does a Cayman S weigh?.. 2976 lbs or about 758 lbs less than a stripper E92 M3 with M-DCT technology.

Is a diet in order?

I have in my hands at least four Italian magazines. Serious enought magazines. The m3 that weights more is quoted with full optionals (leather, nav,19, pdc,DSC and whatever you want) and the full hardware to register the performance (sometimes about 20kg) and full of fuel no more than 1628 kg.or better I would say :3.601 lbs .If you detract the kg-lbs for the hardware and fuel and with full optionals included (dealer's cars) you arrive at 3.452 lbs.
I don't see the problem....Honestly.

Zareh123 · 01-13-2008, 04:09 PM

If you don't like it buy a z4m, there not in the bussness of making cars for fun, they are making it for a projected market and money. BMW never made a car soley for the fun of it.

OzCarfreak · 01-13-2008, 04:13 PM

M3 = 1655 / 1655 x 2.2 = 3641kg no?

Plus a few options tops it would be 3700kg maybe a sunroof would add more?

T Bone · 01-13-2008, 04:15 PM

Always good to have repeated discussions on weight. Many threads focus on power but weight is overlooked.

It should be noted that the M3 with DCT is within 150 pounds of the M6, 150 pounds is the weight of a reasonably attractive girlfriend.

We complain of weight but we are also the culprits by demanding more luxury and space with every generation. When you increase the size of cars and also increase rigidity, you dump a lot of weight in chassis reinforcement.

Also along with power comes weight. In addition to the engine, you need more powerful accessories to cool, and brake the engine. The M3 has big brakes, oil cooler, rad etc...

Scott26's post last week hinted at BMW's next step, a return to M tradition. Like Ferrari, BMW is going to focus on weight and levelling off power (because of fuel economy / emissions reasons).

I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation of M cars are lighter and slightly more powerful than today's M cars.....and just as safe.

OC ///M · 01-13-2008, 04:31 PM

It would be helpful if BMW published weight implications of each option so that it was available during the ordering process...

The CSL · 01-13-2008, 04:56 PM

My E36 survived a head on hit against a mud bank and landed on its side with no noticeable structural damage. All this added weight is bullsh***

Keto · 01-13-2008, 05:23 PM

Ruff, can you give us a preview of next month's complaint?

Epacy · 01-13-2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keto

Ruff, can you give us a preview of next month's complaint?

ArtPE · 01-13-2008, 06:44 PM

I have seen 3 numbers for weighed cars
3530
3550
3570

the 3704 includes 75 kg for driver/stuff and 90% fuel
3704 - 2.2 x 75 = 3540

hmmmmmm.......

ruff · 01-13-2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epacy

3754 lbs. Yuck!!

6MT all the way!!!

Keto,

You might want to addresss this with you buddy Epacy who is a hypocrite. You don't see him laughing at his own post now do you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keto

Ruff, can you give us a preview of next month's complaint?

Keto,

Have a problem seeing BMW's own published weight numbers? Welcome to reality. To answer your question, maybe I can address why BMW has the most vain fanboys in the auto industry. Keto, you work awfully hard to keep your reputation alive.

phoenixbmwlife · 01-13-2008, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keto

Ruff, can you give us a preview of next month's complaint?

The timing is very suspect as well. On the day that BMW releases pricing that most of us are happy/pleased with, he comes with this lol

Epacy · 01-13-2008, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff

Keto,

You might want addresss this with you buddy Epacy who is a hypocrite in the highest order. Don't see him laughing at his own post now do you.

Keto, have problem seeing BMW's own published numbers? Welcom to reality.

Hypocrite? Please explain how that came to be.

I laughed at Keto's post, because you always complain. Let's here your grand explanation for this one.

You are so bad at this.

ruff · 01-13-2008, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K3N R3D

The timing is very suspect as well. On the day that BMW releases pricing that most of us are happy/pleased with, he comes with this lol

Do your homework. I created the thread before pricing was released. Besides, I didn't know pricing changed the weight of the car. Read my posts on pricing. Some people can actually see good and bad in things at the same time...I know this hard for you to understand. You are also doing fine job of waving the BMW fanboy flag.

phoenixbmwlife · 01-13-2008, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff

Do your homework. I created the thread before pricing was released. Besides, I didn't know pricing changed the weight of the car. Read my posts on pricing. Some people can actually see good and bad in things at the same time...I know this hard for you to understand. You are also doing fine job of waving the BMW fanboy flag.

Ruff no disrespect was intended.

ruff · 01-13-2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epacy

Hypocrite? Please explain how that came to be.

I laughed at Keto's post, because you always complain. Let's here your grand explanation for this one.

You are so bad at this.

Still clueless? Heres another hint:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epacy

3754 lbs. Yuck!!

6MT all the way!!!

ruff · 01-13-2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K3N R3D

Ruff no disrespect was intended.

Fair enough.

JEllis · 01-13-2008, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff

People around here have been massaging all kinds of numbers trying to say the e92 M3 weighs in the 3500-3600 lbs range. Then BMW shatters our hopes with actual numbers...3704, bad BMW.

Lets crunch some real numbers. 335 weighs in at 3571, with no carbon fiber roof, no aluminum hood, and no extensive use of aluminum in the suspension. Now lets look at the portly 4 door 5 series, specifically the 535. It weighs in at 3660 with a 6 MT and 3703 with a slushbox or 1 lb less than the the M3 with a 6 MT, with no carbon fiber roof, no aluminum hood, and no extensive use of aluminum suspension parts. This is an affront to long time M enthusiasts and shows the effectiveness of M's smoke and mirrors marketing hullabaloo about weight savings, while at the same time, they continue their focused campaign of burdening their Motor Sport Icon with every creature comfort known to man. And if you add 50 lbs for an absolute stripper M-DCT M3, it should weigh in at at whalish 3754 lbs... 94 lbs more than a stripper 5 series. So how much will a decently loaded or worse yet a fully loaded DCT M3 weigh?...well it is starting to enter super yacht territory known as the 7 series.

Now what does a Cayman S weigh?.. 2976 lbs or about 778 lbs less than a stripper E92 M3 with M-DCT technology.

Is a diet in order?

Sheesh...

It is what it is Ruff... is it overweight? Does it matter?

Does it matter that the GTR is heavy if it can do the Ring in 7:38?

Its all subjective...

Jason

JEllis · 01-13-2008, 07:27 PM

Ruff, I wish there was a great peforming car in this price class that was not only light but had very competitive performance. Oh, and was a great car to drive everyday and can hold four people... There really isnt if you think about it.

Jason

T Bone · 01-13-2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEllis

Sheesh...

It is what it is Ruff... is it overweight? Does it matter?

Does it matter that the GTR is heavy if it can do the Ring in 7:38?

Its all subjective...

Jason

Ruff is dead on....weight is critical to every aspect of a car's performance. Acceleration, handling, braking, fuel economy.....

No way we can continue to get bigger and faster and increase weight. If we didn't care about how a car handles, get an Audi / MB....they are lead sleds.... Even the M5 is well over 4000 pounds and the M3 is on the wrong side of 3500 pounds.

I hope the next generation M's are <3200 pounds with a modest boost in power, if they make such a car, it will be leagues ahead of this generation.

Think of the chassis innovations that have to happen.

On the practical side, you WILL be gettering ceramic brakes....

ArtPE · 01-13-2008, 07:36 PM

from BMW:

Unladen weight: the figure quoted includes a 90 per cent tank filling, 68 kg for the driver and 7 kg for luggage. Unladen weight applies to vehicles with standard equipment. Optional equipment may increase this figure.

M5
Unladen weight EU 4012

fuel 6.2 x 0.9 x 18 ~ 100 lbs
75 kg ~ 165 lbs

4012 - 100 - 165 ~ 3747 lbs

hardly 'well over' 4000 lbs...

the C63 weighs 4035 when actually weighed

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ruff Conspicuous consumption 99 Rep 1,183 Posts Drives: 987 S .2, Lemond Zurich Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The mountains of Utah iTrader: (0)	M3 overweight? People around here have been massaging all kinds of numbers trying to say the e92 M3 weighs in the 3500-3600 lbs range. Then BMW shatters our hopes with actual numbers...3704, bad BMW. Lets crunch some real numbers. 335 weighs in at 3571, with no carbon fiber roof, no aluminum hood, and no extensive use of aluminum in the suspension. Now lets look at the portly 4 door 5 series, specifically the 535. It weighs in at 3660 with a 6 MT and 3703 with a slushbox or 1 lb less than the the M3 with a 6 MT, with no carbon fiber roof, no aluminum hood, and no extensive use of aluminum suspension parts. This is an affront to long time M enthusiasts and shows the effectiveness of M's smoke and mirrors marketing hullabaloo about weight savings, while at the same time, they continue their focused campaign of burdening their Motor Sport Icon with every creature comfort known to man. And if you add 50 lbs for an absolute stripper M-DCT M3, it should weigh in at at whalish 3754 lbs... 94 lbs more than a stripper 5 series. So how much will a decently loaded or worse yet a fully loaded DCT M3 weigh?...well it is starting to enter super yacht territory known as the 7 series. Now what does a Cayman S weigh?.. 2976 lbs or about 778 lbs less than a stripper E92 M3 with M-DCT technology. Is a diet in order?
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OzCarfreak Private First Class 8 Rep 132 Posts Drives: Merc / BMW /Audi Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sydney iTrader: (0)	M3 = 1655 / 1655 x 2.2 = 3641kg no? Plus a few options tops it would be 3700kg maybe a sunroof would add more?
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T Bone Brigadier General 530 Rep 4,021 Posts Drives: 2008 335xi Coupe Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The land where we kill baby seals iTrader: (0)	Always good to have repeated discussions on weight. Many threads focus on power but weight is overlooked. It should be noted that the M3 with DCT is within 150 pounds of the M6, 150 pounds is the weight of a reasonably attractive girlfriend. We complain of weight but we are also the culprits by demanding more luxury and space with every generation. When you increase the size of cars and also increase rigidity, you dump a lot of weight in chassis reinforcement. Also along with power comes weight. In addition to the engine, you need more powerful accessories to cool, and brake the engine. The M3 has big brakes, oil cooler, rad etc... Scott26's post last week hinted at BMW's next step, a return to M tradition. Like Ferrari, BMW is going to focus on weight and levelling off power (because of fuel economy / emissions reasons). I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation of M cars are lighter and slightly more powerful than today's M cars.....and just as safe. __________________ "Aerodynamics are for people who cannot build engines"......Enzo Ferrari
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Keto Lieutenant Colonel 73 Rep 1,603 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: WHO DAT NATION iTrader: (1) Garage List 2015 BMW M3 [10.00]	Ruff, can you give us a preview of next month's complaint?
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ArtPE Banned 11 Rep 471 Posts Drives: e46 M3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	I have seen 3 numbers for weighed cars 3530 3550 3570 the 3704 includes 75 kg for driver/stuff and 90% fuel 3704 - 2.2 x 75 = 3540 hmmmmmm.......
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JEllis Major General 531 Rep 5,498 Posts Drives: E36 M3, E92 M3 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth iTrader: (4)	Ruff, I wish there was a great peforming car in this price class that was not only light but had very competitive performance. Oh, and was a great car to drive everyday and can hold four people... There really isnt if you think about it. Jason __________________ Instagram: jellismotorwerks
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ArtPE Banned 11 Rep 471 Posts Drives: e46 M3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	from BMW: Unladen weight: the figure quoted includes a 90 per cent tank filling, 68 kg for the driver and 7 kg for luggage. Unladen weight applies to vehicles with standard equipment. Optional equipment may increase this figure. M5 Unladen weight EU 4012 fuel 6.2 x 0.9 x 18 ~ 100 lbs 75 kg ~ 165 lbs 4012 - 100 - 165 ~ 3747 lbs hardly 'well over' 4000 lbs... the C63 weighs 4035 when actually weighed
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