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      03-07-2011, 04:22 AM   #23
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Actually matte paint is EASIER to maintain than normal paint, it doesn't show light scratches, swirl marks or cob webs. This makes it significantly easier to care for. You just can't put wax on it but you don't need to because it won't show the damage that wax protects from anyway. Meaning it saves you work both from protecting against light scratches and fixing them, which is pretty much the bulk of the concern when caring for auto paint. BMW's convoluted care instructions are the exact same as what you're supposed to do with normal paint, plus they add not to wax it, it's just that they are being overly pedantic about their instructions. This gave people the completely wrong idea (and probably made them feel better that they don't have a Frozen Gray car)

This myth needs to stop being perpetuated. The idea that matte paint is harder or a PITA to care for is based on zero experience with it. It's like someone saying BMW's are hard to break in because of BMW's overly German/pedantic/legalese/specific break in instructions. You actually can drive your frozen car how you want, and break in your BMW how you want aswell, I say that as someone who's worked at a high end body shop dealing with matte cars, and worked for a racing team with breaking in engines.
I own a late 2010 Frozen Gray E92 and i second that! The paint job is really easy to maintain. It doesn't show any water mark, making it very easy to wash and dry. This color is a stunner and has to be seen to believe. I have strangers chatting me up asking about the color and taking pics of my car. I never expected such level of attention.

The only down side is what was mentioned about bird droppings. I have yet to experience any on the body work, but will surely keep a watchful eye for it.
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      03-07-2011, 09:58 AM   #24
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I can also say, that in my conversations with BMW Individual, that they will allow Frozen Grey again for the upcoming model year. In other words, Frozen Grey M3's won't be as limited as they once were.
Great news if it pans out.

At this point though, I am actually more interested to learn about the upcoming "Special Edition" cars coming to the US later this year. Actually, I could see them offering Frozen Black as part of these packages, or perhaps a brand new Frozen color (Frozen MCB please ).
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      03-07-2011, 01:29 PM   #25
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Then the guys on top gear just completely lied about the maintenance for matte paints?
Top Gear is a (awesome) comedy show. The maintenance requirements for matte paint are the same as for normal paint, besides not putting products that enhance gloss onto it. Don't be fooled by BMW's legalese about how to care for the paint. Bird shit, bugs etc will ruin normal paint, and if you thought it was ridiculous that the test driver got out of the car to clean the paint in the middle of a lap on Top Gear, then you'll be suprised to know that high end supercar owners can subscribe to a service where someone will actually rush to their supercar in a van with a full cleaning crew as quickly as possible to remove bird shit at a moment's notice. That's a real service that people pay for, for their 100% normal paint.

I've also actually seen regular BMW paint ruined by bird shit and bugs, the previous owner of my car was careless and there are noticable flaws in the paint as a result.


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and where did you get your information? what about frozen black? i can't imagine it's EASIER to clean bird shit off a matte paint finish versus a normal high gloss paint finish.
I got my information first hand by being a professional at a high end business that built multiple SEMA cars. The color doesn't matter any more than gloss paint, matte paint is matte paint. Actually one of the huge benefits of matte paint is that the color matters less than with gloss colors, people dislike caring for gloss black paint because you have to constantly deal with the miscropic scratches in the gloss finish, because they show more easily than any other color, not so with matte black. It might be slightly harder to physically remove something from matte paint due to the texture but overall it's definitly less work to care for, and it won't be like removing something caked onto cement, it's still a basically smooth surface.
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      03-07-2011, 02:49 PM   #26
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Great news if it pans out.

At this point though, I am actually more interested to learn about the upcoming "Special Edition" cars coming to the US later this year. Actually, I could see them offering Frozen Black as part of these packages, or perhaps a brand new Frozen color (Frozen MCB please ).
Just to clarify - this would be increased availability from BMW Individual, not increased availability in general. In other words, Individual might give the thumbs up on a few Frozen Gray M3's sometime in the near future.
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      03-07-2011, 03:15 PM   #28
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Just to clarify - this would be increased availability from BMW Individual, not increased availability in general. In other words, Individual might give the thumbs up on a few Frozen Gray M3's sometime in the near future.
Yep - I understood ya.
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Just to clarify - this would be increased availability from BMW Individual, not increased availability in general. In other words, Individual might give the thumbs up on a few Frozen Gray M3's sometime in the near future.
I am sure all the special edition owners would just love that.
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      03-08-2011, 08:07 AM   #30
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I am sure all the special edition owners would just love that.
True, it will ruffle feathers, although anyone who thought the car was truly that special did no research. Although the mixed-color interior was not available ad-hoc at the time, the paint was available everywhere else in the world from Individual to anyone willing to pay up. Plus, the FG SE cars were $79k if I recall, and they were optioned up with just about everything. So the price is the same as a loaded M3 with Individual paint anyway, and as I recall it original buyers also got a one day M school as part of the deal too.

My guess is that at most BMW USA will approve a dozen or so more FG cars over the next few years so the rarity isn't going to be effected much.
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      03-08-2011, 01:42 PM   #31
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Question... Isnt it easier to scratch the matte because of the texture?
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      03-08-2011, 05:57 PM   #32
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Lucky you! There was a Monte Carlo blue m3 asking for 97k at our local dealership last year. And a frozen grey asking almost 110k just last month and was sold. @
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Question... Isnt it easier to scratch the matte because of the texture?
can someone that has or touched the frozen bmw paint please confirm that the texture of the car is smooth just like all cars?
I have no idea but I cant believe that the paint is textured? isnt the frozen paint the same under coating with a sheen top coat or something?
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this whole matte thing is really getting out of hand and going to people's brains...
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The products in this link claim to work on Frozen paint:
http://www.teamspeed.com/forums/deta...-products.html
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      07-27-2011, 09:02 PM   #36
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When I was a kid I had a "Frozen Gray" 1962 Ford. In those days we did not call it "Frozen Gray" we called it "Primer".

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      07-27-2011, 10:19 PM   #37
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lol, what a greedy pos.
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      07-27-2011, 10:41 PM   #38
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I like the glassy liquid look of Space Gray better. Matte just looks like primer.
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      07-28-2011, 12:25 AM   #39
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How about in summer? Does it stay "Frozen"?
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Supply and demand. Not a a lot of competition out there, so he can charge whatever he wants for it.
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