The quality has gone down, I'll give up

[Pilot]

Originally Posted by Keto

There is no amount of money that you pay for a car that guarantees no problems. You and that guy who just bought a Kia or Suzuki are in the same boat -- problems might happen. I agree it sucks. It's also fairly obvious that more than one person has had major problems with the M3. My point is that your thread title and initial post both make assertions that are unsupported by evidence.

True, but the more you pay, the more you should get.

And my point is that I overreacted, like I wrote.

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[southlight]

@Pilot

Sorry to hear that. Do you remember what the variable redline moved to when this problem occured?


Best regards, south

[Pilot]

Originally Posted by tfurban

Come on man, be GLAD you have the indicator. Take it in to the dealer and they'll check it out. Stop being such a whiner.... You want me to start complaining about ALL the problems I had with my 2001 Ford Explorer??? Got an HOUR???? Don't get me started. LOL Be glad you are able to afford such a wonderfully engineered product.

They are checking while I'm driving 130i.. will inform you.

A Ford?

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[Pilot]

Originally Posted by southlight

@Pilot

Sorry to hear that. Do you remember what the variable redline moved to when this problem occured?


Best regards, south

6500

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[southlight]

Originally Posted by Pilot

6500

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Thanks for the reply. There are at least three other people here who had the same problem. Doesn't seem to be a big deal, but it's quite annoying (especially with an accelerating N54 in front, but that's another story ).


Best regards, south

[Jack's dad]

Originally Posted by Davinhci

+1

Same here. Knock on wood, the car has been absolutely perfect since I took delivery four months ago...

[Serious]

What do you expect from a first year car?

Every M3 model has first year issues that are ultimately solved throughout the production life.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by tfurban

Damn, lucid, you sound like an attorney! The guy will take it in and get a LOANER and be able to rack up miles on THAT car while his baby is being treated. Compensation.....jeez!!

It all depends. A loaner wouldn't cut it for me if I could not drive a new car I dropped a huge chunk of money on for a month for example (and that has happened to people with E46 M3s). Since I don't know how long he's been without his car, that's what I suggested. If you think the repairs are taking an unreasonable amount time, it is perfectly reasonable for you to ask them to financially compensate you. Why make payments on a car for a month if you can't enjoy it? Or if you own the car, have it depreciate for a month without being able to enjoy it? The only exception might be if the loaner was an E9X M3, or an M5 or something, which I seriously doubt. They'll most likely send you home in an X3. If he had to part from his car for only 2-3 days, then yes, he’s kind of whining…

[Pilot]

Originally Posted by lucid

It all depends. A loaner wouldn't cut it for me if I could not drive a new car I dropped a huge chunk of money on for a month for example (and that has happened to people with E46 M3s). Since I don't know how long he's been without his car, that's what I suggested. If you think the repairs are taking an unreasonable amount time, it is perfectly reasonable for you to ask them to financially compensate you. Why make payments on a car for a month if you can't enjoy it? Or if you own the car, have it depreciate for a month without being able to enjoy it? The only exception might be if the loaner was an E9X M3, or an M5 or something, which I seriously doubt. They'll most likely send you home in an X3. If he had to part from his car for only 2-3 days, then yes, he’s kind of whining…

The first service break was 2 weeks. It's estimated that this fuel pump fault thing might take the same.

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[Big Windy]

Originally Posted by seriousm3

What do you expect from a first year car?

Every M3 model has first year issues that are ultimately solved throughout the production life.

i see where you are getting at here, but the fact that all of us even have that notion in our heads is proof that we are letting car companies off easy. if you are making a purchase, you as the buyer have the full right to expect that it is going to work correctly. it is BMW's problem to figure these issues out before they put the car on sale. it is a sad reality that what you said is probably true, but we as consumers should demand more.

[Keto]

Originally Posted by Pilot

The first service break was 2 weeks. It's estimated that this fuel pump fault thing might take the same.

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In the USA, that sort of total service time (usually 30 days within one year) qualifies for the "lemon" law in many states. BMW would have to buy back the car or provide a new one.

Hope Finland has similar laws.

[Voltigeur]

Originally Posted by seriousm3

What do you expect from a first year car?

Every M3 model has first year issues that are ultimately solved throughout the production life.

What I am hoping for - NOT that 1st year buyer's are stressed! - but that some gremlins w/ M-DCT, fuel pump etc are sorted by MY09.

[440hpe46]

The HPFP is a major issue for BMW...they really need to get it fixed and figure out what the exact problem is...

A few months ago I had my 335 go into limp mode due to the fuel pump...which then had the recall done with the new Bosch unit...

I was told to never let the 335 go below a 1/4 tank of gas because the ratio on the pump is so high, and the software specs are so tight, that even if there is a 50 psi drop, that the car will go into half power mode...

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by lucid

It all depends. A loaner wouldn't cut it for me if I could not drive a new car I dropped a huge chunk of money on for a month for example (and that has happened to people with E46 M3s). Since I don't know how long he's been without his car, that's what I suggested. If you think the repairs are taking an unreasonable amount time, it is perfectly reasonable for you to ask them to financially compensate you. Why make payments on a car for a month if you can't enjoy it? Or if you own the car, have it depreciate for a month without being able to enjoy it? The only exception might be if the loaner was an E9X M3, or an M5 or something, which I seriously doubt. They'll most likely send you home in an X3. If he had to part from his car for only 2-3 days, then yes, he’s kind of whining…

I kind of actually disagree with you Lucid (there is a first for everything). I had one of the original e92 335is and as a result had a failed HPFP I was without my car for almost 6-weeks and I was fine with a 328i loaner. It was a car I didn't have to pay for. My dealer was nice enough to do a trade assist so that when my car was done I got that back and then my new one came in and I got a brand new car. But they didn't have to, I was glad that I got a BMW loaner. It was a first year car that is mass produced, things will happen......

[inmotion]

first year tweaks naturally. I had a '06 M5 and had major issues with the servotronic cutting off and vanos needing replacement. My dealer eventually bought the car back. I was very satisfied with the M5 when it worked, so I gave it another try for a '07 and been fine. Just hang in there.