2012 GTR or 2012 M3???

[Robert]

Originally Posted by boombastic

That car flies, I believe 2012 will be even better.

[wwjd15]

Originally Posted by boombastic

Not for me around NYC. bumps, holes, bad roads.

I used to live in Boston, I wouldn't DD any sport cars over there. lol.

[Nang Vann]

I LOVE both GTR and M3, so if you got dough, buy both!

[Elie335i]

m3

[birgppa]

I dont know if they updated the interior much on the GTR but thats the one thing I really dislike with that car. I think I'd take the GTR tho now that I've had an M3 for a while :P

[devo]

Originally Posted by sameh

Why aren't you looking at GT3 too? it's only 40K more than GTR!!

A .2 GT3 is not $40k more than a 2012 GTR. The delta is $30k. New GT3s are hard to find as PAG stopped this production run. Either a used one cheaper or wait until late 2013.

To the OP I'd go GTR over the M. The 2012's are pretty sick.

[devo]

Originally Posted by Kurohouou

To me the M3 and GTR are two different cars in two different categories. M3 is more of a touring sports car while the GTR is an actual sports car. Not to mention the huge price difference. If money were not an option I think you would see a lot more GTR's being sold though. But its just to expensive.. But you get what you pay for, it will beat the M3 in every track type category. But honestly a car that starts at $55k vs one at $90k. That's a huge difference. You should be comparing the GTR to a 911 IMO if you have that kind of money. Don't get me wrong the M3 is a great car, but i'd take the GTR if money were not an option.

A M sedan starts @ $55,900. I imagine that the OP is shopping a Coupe which starts at $58,900 and is going to cost most buyers a MSRP of at least $65K once optioned with even a few goodies. Let's at least keep the comparison real.

[737Drvr]

I'm in the same boat as the OP. I must admit that I'm leaning toward the GTR but haven't made a decision. A few of the things I find in favor of the M3 are: 1) Most importantly I can get a true 6 speed car as I really enjoy that interaction with car.
2) That N/A V8 sounds a lot better and is probably an endangered species.
3) The interior is of higher quality. I think the Novillo leather is some the best out there.
4) The maintenance is included and the way you are treated at a BMW dealer vs. a Nissan dealer. And a longer warranty period.

Having said all of this, once I optioned out the M3 the way I wanted it, I was pushing 75K. I can probably procure a '12 GTR for 88K. For 13K, there is quite a performance difference. And, to me, the interior on the GTR isn't all that bad but not certainly up to BMW standards. If only they offered the GTR in a 6 speed. I do recognize that its transmission is part of the puzzle that makes the GTR so quick. But I'm willing to sacrifice a couple of tenths for driving enjoyment. Both are great cars. Decisions/decisions. Good luck to the OP as well.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by 737Drvr

I can probably procure a '12 GTR for 88K.

Similarly though, you can also probably get a '12 M3 for $65K, especially with ED.

[Htown09]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Similarly though, you can also probably get a '12 M3 for $65K, especially with ED.

This debate can be ended with the realization that the smart ones will wait for father time to unveil the new M3 which can compete better with the new GTR.

Right now the GTR outmatches the M3 in every category save comfort/ride. Better gas mileage, (TT) performance, (straight line, corner's) exclusivity, Technology.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Similarly though, you can also probably get a '12 M3 for $65K, especially with ED.

That's why I'm waiting. Probably better lease rates as well for the last year of the M3.

[mkoesel]

Not sure I agree that will end the debate. By the time the F32 M3 arrives, there will probably be an R37 GTR. It is anybodies guess at this point how that car will perform, but I would suggest we can expect lightweight materials similar to what BMW is planning, and of course, more power too.

Originally Posted by Htown09

This debate can be ended with the realization that the smart ones will wait for father time to unveil the new M3 which can compete better with the new GTR.

Right now the GTR outmatches the M3 in every category save comfort/ride. Better gas mileage, (TT) performance, (straight line, corner's) exclusivity, Technology.

[Draff1]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

That's why I'm waiting. Probably better lease rates as well for the last year of the M3.

Doubt it. Lease rates are always better in the first year due to the residual value. That equation can't be offset by the money factor. Sale price however would be lower if you were willing to finance. This estimate of lower future value is what leads to the higher monthly lease payments. It's just math.

[BMoney]

Originally Posted by Draff1

Doubt it. Lease rates are always better in the first year due to the residual value. That equation can't be offset by the money factor. Sale price however would be lower if you were willing to finance. This estimate of lower future value is what leads to the higher monthly lease payments. It's just math.

I don't agree with that. When I leased my M3 in 08 the residual was 54% for 36 months. The current residual for May is 62% for 12K miles. I think it's more of a demand thing. They'll jack up the residual and lower the MF when they feel the need to. You never know when it'll happen though....a month after I bought mine the residual went up 2% and the MF dropped to .00025 from .00260 which would have saved me $250 a month!

[saeedg48]

don't forget the gt-r is considered a supercar. i personally love it and if it had the same performance it has to date back in 08 when i made the purchase of my M3 i would have bought the gt-r instead.

[punksterz626]

Originally Posted by richpuer

id never pay 90k+ tax..so close to 100k for a Nissan...or any other Japanese car for that matter...i dont care how fast it goes...a nissan should be 46k AT MOST....go for the GT3

Really? Because of the name? Where can u get a car "consider a SUPERCAR" for 90K? GTR's pedigree is top notch my friend.

[boombastic]

It makes me laugh when I see people saying "IT IS A NISSAN!" They just don't get it. Please don't let those in your way, buy what you like.

Originally Posted by punksterz626

Really? Because of the name? Where can u get a car "consider a SUPERCAR" for 90K? GTR's pedigree is top notch my friend.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by boombastic

It makes me laugh when I see people saying "IT IS A NISSAN!" They just don't get it. Please don't let those in your way, buy what you like.

All you have to say is, "It's a Nissan that spanks your (insert car name here) and I paid half the price. That should shut them up. The GT-R is an engineering marvel. Design is debatable, but the car is amazing in it's own right.

Originally Posted by punksterz626

Really? Because of the name? Where can u get a car "consider a SUPERCAR" for 90K? GTR's pedigree is top notch my friend.

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Not sure I agree that will end the debate. By the time the F32 M3 arrives, there will probably be an R37 GTR. It is anybodies guess at this point how that car will perform, but I would suggest we can expect lightweight materials similar to what BMW is planning, and of course, more power too.

BMW is not out to fight the GT-R. The two cars are in two completely different worlds. That's like me comparing a M3 to a Cayman. Not possible.

[BMW269]

That is just the very point:

"This Nissan spanks out your M3 (for a lesser price)".
Too much M3 vs. GT-R, that is why the next M3 F32 will focus on the GT-R, and not on the other, read C AMG, RS4/RS5, IS-R,... that could not take away the M3's title.

[stefan]

I'm confused.. is the GTR the same price as an M3 in the US? This is not so in Canada.

The GTR lacks some luxuries available on the M3. If you get a stripped out M3, save for say, Mdrive, you are saving nearly $30,000K over a GTR.

If you can afford the GTR, why aren't you getting it? If you are making a comparison with arguments surrounding driving feel, why aren't you comparing to an RWD competitor, say, 911 turbo?

Basically, if you MUST spend $100,000+ on a vehicle, don't buy an M3. Buy said GTR or Porsche. If you want to take a hit in the performance department and put $30K in your pocket and want RWD, buy an M3.

TL;DR can't compare M3 to GTR.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by Levi

That is just the very point:

"This Nissan spanks out your M3 (for a lesser price)".
Too much M3 vs. GT-R, that is why the next M3 F32 will focus on the GT-R, and not on the other, read C AMG, RS4/RS5, IS-R,... that could not take away the M3's title.

No, the GT-R isn't less expensive then the M3 here in the States at least.

Again, the GT-R and the M3 are in two completely different worlds. You can't compare the two cars to each other. One is a Sporty Tourer while the other is a balls out monster. One seats 4 comfortablely, while the other struggles to fit 3 and you have to be like 2 to fit in the back anyway.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by stefan

I'm confused.. is the GTR the same price as an M3 in the US? This is not so in Canada.

The GTR lacks some luxuries available on the M3. If you get a stripped out M3, save for say, Mdrive, you are saving nearly $30,000K over a GTR.

If you can afford the GTR, why aren't you getting it? If you are making a comparison with arguments surrounding driving feel, why aren't you comparing to an RWD competitor, say, 911 turbo?

Basically, if you MUST spend $100,000+ on a vehicle, don't buy an M3. Buy said GTR or Porsche. If you want to take a hit in the performance department and put $30K in your pocket and want RWD, buy an M3.

TL;DR can't compare M3 to GTR.

The GT-R is like 5-10k MORE expensive then a fully loaded M3 Coupe.