Bmw m3 after tuned 335i

jeff4598 · 06-21-2011, 08:12 AM

The m3 feels lighter when turning. In my experience a heavier car with proportionely more torque feels more powerful in a straight line than a lighter car with less torque. Perhaps the M feels lighter than the 335 going in a straight line as well as around bends so the torque application FEELS less impactfull even as the car accelerates more quickly-kinda like the different feeling you get when a small airplane changes direction vs a large jetliner.

pbonsalb · 06-21-2011, 10:25 AM

The lack of torque feel may also be due to the very flat torque curve of the M3. It is like a table from 3000 to 8000. There is no sudden push as the torque comes in hard and climbs rapidly to a peak. The tuned 335i has a huge rush of torque, then the torque flattens out and then it drops like a rock. Take the ends of the M3 torque curve and squish them together and you can have a higher peak -- BMW could have done this with the 4.0L V8 but the engine would have to be designed differently and the rpms and peak horsepower would be reduced.

persian54 · 06-21-2011, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChitownM3

I never go by what people feel, as that is very subjective. To calculate torque in a gear, you multiply engine torque X trans gear ratio X rear end ratio. The trans and rear end are torque multipliers.

I think what you feel is just as important as actual numbers in that you are driving the car, and the feel is what makes you happy... not just numbers on a screen

Joonsup · 06-21-2011, 06:15 PM

What type of driving you planning on? M3 is nice and flashy and the v8 sounds awesome but if you only plan on driving it to and from work/school then you're not really getting the most use out of it imo....unless your plan is to drive it up and down the downtown strip and show it off to the ladies. You'll be wasting gas since it sucks up a lot of fuel. In that case I'd go with the 335 where you feel that low end torque that the M3 lacks. You'll get pretty good gas mileage compared to the M3 so you'll be able to use the money you save to buy a piggyback tune which will allow you to smoke the M3 if that's all you are trying to achieve.

If you get a chance to drive both the 335 and the M3 on the track (not dragstrip), you'll be able to appreciate what the M3 is all about. And if you plan on tracking your car a few times a year, you won't regret going with the M3. At least that's how i feel.

GnokGnik · 06-22-2011, 01:49 AM

You track? M3 is better
You want a show car? M3 is better
You want a fast DD? 335i is better
YOu want to save 444? 335i is better (a CPO 08 with the N54)

The M3 is a dream at handling... the 335i is great too, but the suspension is not meant for sweepers and sharp turns like the M3 is. Any BMW is more than enough for the streets regarding handling. The M3 is actually more comfortable as well because of the 335i's STUPID STUPID RFT.

I couldn't justify the $20,000+ difference between a 335i and a M3 in 08...specially because I don't track.

scheherazade · 06-22-2011, 10:39 AM

This is why you get an MT and slip the clutch.
Launch at an RPM that has good torque.

-scheherazade

swamp2 · 06-22-2011, 01:47 PM

In a true apples to apples comparison a Dinan Stage 3 and a M3 will be extremely close in straight line performance. Why? Because they both have almost exactly the same power to weight ratio. The DCT will give the M3 a slight edge but with either tranny it will be a drivers race. In the twisties forget about it...

I can post up some simulations showing the results in gory detail but then we would probably also have the argument that physics is wrong and cars can not be simulated...

Also forget about engine torque as others have stated. Well don't forget about it entirely it can be fun but it does not buy you real results. Once you graduate to torque to the wheels instead of engine torque you will start to "get it". Then you can take one more step and realize that this is basically long hand for peak power.

edu09 · 06-23-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by thai357sig

Dude,
Get a fukkin civic and mod the shit out of it! It will bet the crap out of any Modded 335 and non modded M3.

Because that is what seems to be important to you. Torque and HP. All the factors point to one thing, you are probably still an adolescent and want cheap power. The M3 cannot comepete!

"...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan.

E90076 · 06-23-2011, 01:15 PM

I've owned a tuned 335i and a C63. Both have gobs of torque but neither possesses the unique feel of the M3s v8. It just feels different and more special than other road cars.

Handling wise, the M3 spanks the C63 and has a much more solid feel (as do most BMWs compared to other brands).

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jeff4598 Captain 172 Rep 676 Posts Drives: 2019 M2C HS, DCT, much Dinan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: new jersey iTrader: (0)	Theory The m3 feels lighter when turning. In my experience a heavier car with proportionely more torque feels more powerful in a straight line than a lighter car with less torque. Perhaps the M feels lighter than the 335 going in a straight line as well as around bends so the torque application FEELS less impactfull even as the car accelerates more quickly-kinda like the different feeling you get when a small airplane changes direction vs a large jetliner.
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pbonsalb Lieutenant General 5228 Rep 10,611 Posts Drives: 18 F90 M5, 99 E36 M3 Turbo Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New England iTrader: (4)	The lack of torque feel may also be due to the very flat torque curve of the M3. It is like a table from 3000 to 8000. There is no sudden push as the torque comes in hard and climbs rapidly to a peak. The tuned 335i has a huge rush of torque, then the torque flattens out and then it drops like a rock. Take the ends of the M3 torque curve and squish them together and you can have a higher peak -- BMW could have done this with the 4.0L V8 but the engine would have to be designed differently and the rpms and peak horsepower would be reduced.
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Joonsup Lieutenant General 322 Rep 17,316 Posts Drives: E92 M3, E30 325i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (8) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 [9.50]	What type of driving you planning on? M3 is nice and flashy and the v8 sounds awesome but if you only plan on driving it to and from work/school then you're not really getting the most use out of it imo....unless your plan is to drive it up and down the downtown strip and show it off to the ladies. You'll be wasting gas since it sucks up a lot of fuel. In that case I'd go with the 335 where you feel that low end torque that the M3 lacks. You'll get pretty good gas mileage compared to the M3 so you'll be able to use the money you save to buy a piggyback tune which will allow you to smoke the M3 if that's all you are trying to achieve. If you get a chance to drive both the 335 and the M3 on the track (not dragstrip), you'll be able to appreciate what the M3 is all about. And if you plan on tracking your car a few times a year, you won't regret going with the M3. At least that's how i feel.
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06-22-2011, 01:49 AM	#49
GnokGnik Captain 17 Rep 936 Posts Drives: E92 335i, 997 C2S Join Date: May 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	You track? M3 is better You want a show car? M3 is better You want a fast DD? 335i is better YOu want to save 444? 335i is better (a CPO 08 with the N54) The M3 is a dream at handling... the 335i is great too, but the suspension is not meant for sweepers and sharp turns like the M3 is. Any BMW is more than enough for the streets regarding handling. The M3 is actually more comfortable as well because of the 335i's STUPID STUPID RFT. I couldn't justify the $20,000+ difference between a 335i and a M3 in 08...specially because I don't track.
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06-22-2011, 10:39 AM	#50
scheherazade Major 36 Rep 1,467 Posts Drives: 09 GTR (& 93' accord!) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: DC metro area iTrader: (8)	This is why you get an MT and slip the clutch. Launch at an RPM that has good torque. -scheherazade
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swamp2 Lieutenant General 609 Rep 10,407 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA iTrader: (3)	In a true apples to apples comparison a Dinan Stage 3 and a M3 will be extremely close in straight line performance. Why? Because they both have almost exactly the same power to weight ratio. The DCT will give the M3 a slight edge but with either tranny it will be a drivers race. In the twisties forget about it... I can post up some simulations showing the results in gory detail but then we would probably also have the argument that physics is wrong and cars can not be simulated... Also forget about engine torque as others have stated. Well don't forget about it entirely it can be fun but it does not buy you real results. Once you graduate to torque to the wheels instead of engine torque you will start to "get it". Then you can take one more step and realize that this is basically long hand for peak power. __________________ E92 M3 \| Space Gray on Fox Red \| M-DCT \| CF Roof \| RAC RG63 Wheels \| Brembo 380mm BBK \| \| Vorsteiner Ti Exhaust \| Matte Black Grilles/Side Gills/Rear Emblem/Mirrors \| \| Alekshop Back up Camera \| GP Thunders \| BMW Aluminum Pedals \| Elite Angels \| \| XPEL Full Front Wrap \| Hardwired V1 \| Interior Xenon Light Kit \|
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E90076 Lieutenant 234 Rep 506 Posts Drives: X3M, M2CS, M5CS Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I've owned a tuned 335i and a C63. Both have gobs of torque but neither possesses the unique feel of the M3s v8. It just feels different and more special than other road cars. Handling wise, the M3 spanks the C63 and has a much more solid feel (as do most BMWs compared to other brands).
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