Would would owned who? e90/2 M3 or IS-F

[ase2dais]

noted! thks

heres the other contender review c63
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/123007...63_amg_review/

quite impress from the drivers view point

[sayemthree]

Originally Posted by skierman64

A few magazines already have the answer to this, M3 is the clear winner.

a few? how about all major US mags, RT, CD, MT, AW.....

The MB is VERY fast - but not MT ruins it for me. plus its more cruiser than track machine. Its also got tooooo much bling goin on.

[ase2dais]

+1

c63 got impressive nos., after a good chat with mike at Euromotors Bethesda Md, a $65k it has impressive nos... ex.443 lbs of tque, w/ a Slip Differential option available to even put more on the road..

Im nervous about this one guys... very nervous
specs sheets show it will deliver 343 of it torque pretty much at any rpms. can it be real!


GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Hello! Mother Earth! Im ready to come back!

[sayemthree]

AMG? good numbers in a a straight line - but not so good in the curves.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by ase2dais

... what comes to mind next is the c63. My foot pedaled me to our nearest Mbenz dealer the other day, dissappointed that there wasnt one savailable on hand. Soon the dealership will get their first pre-ordered one, so I asked to be called when it arrives. The c63 at $63k its elegantly equipped, and have asked myself if Im ready for a change.

The M3 still excite me, but it just annoying that what comes with the car is the rigthful pompousness automatically assigned to the gearhead that drives one. And how do I know, seem like every M3 driver I meet on the road is automatically a brother that grins to suggest "You wanna do it?

Thanks for you iImpressive c63 notes btw wonder how it would fare on the race track, mano-o-mano ?

Next target research, the C63! Onward we Go!

Yes the C63 is impressive, it will never be a track star like the M3. But it is a BEAST!

Wait until the 2009 C63's hit the market. They will have the optional performance package.

The performance pack will include:

- LSD
- Carbon brakes
- 15-20% stiffer suspension
- raised limiter to 186mph
- alcantara interior trim

[Keto]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

The performance pack will include:

- LSD
- Carbon brakes
- 15-20% stiffer suspension
- raised limiter to 186mph
- alcantara interior trim

The suspension is already stiff as shit, all the reviewers hate it. What's the point of making it stiffer? So the DSC kicks in even more?

[sayemthree]

carbon brakes? that should add about $10k to the price!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

carbon brakes? that should add about $10k to the price!

The whole package will most likely be around $8,500. That is the cost of the PP on the E63.

[sayemthree]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

The whole package will most likely be around $8,500. That is the cost of the PP on the E63.

not bad - but the car should come with lim slip standard. good thing is the rotors should last 100,000 miles.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

not bad - but the car should come with lim slip standard. good thing is the rotors should last 100,000 miles.

Also should help to shed some pounds to get closer to the M3 weight.

It won't ever be as composed as a M3, but a really fun/fast car.

[335destroyer]

I think the isf can probably beat the m3 in a straight line but around the track theres no way

[hwrdcur]

I took the IS F on a track closed course, against the M3, and the Audi R5. The IS F shifts alot better than SMG, it actually inpressed me. But driving the IS F hard was hard, the M3 was super easy to dial in and out of turns. The Audi kicks torque after every shift but thats it. The M3 out does them all in my opinion.

[ase2dais]

thks for sharing

... I'd pray hard to have a side-by-side DE comparo of those high end contenders....

Maybe you can share to us the DE link and hopefully the tour will stop by here at DC Metro area.

[gbb357]

Originally Posted by hwrdcur

I took the IS F on a track closed course, against the M3, and the Audi R5. The IS F shifts alot better than SMG, it actually inpressed me. But driving the IS F hard was hard, the M3 was super easy to dial in and out of turns. The Audi kicks torque after every shift but thats it. The M3 out does them all in my opinion.

Thanks for sharing as well. Best way to compare all of them, drive them all.

[sayemthree]

nice - an excellent opportunity!!!

[BK]

Originally Posted by ase2dais

Maybe you can share to us the DE link and hopefully the tour will stop by here at DC Metro area.

+1

[ase2dais]

thats right hwrdcur, how about that Driving Event link registration, Im drooling

[ase2dais]

Originally Posted by Keto

The suspension is already stiff as shit, all the reviewers hate it. What's the point of making it stiffer? So the DSC kicks in even more?

+1 kudos

for I just read C&Ds review, maybe the same one you read. Well here it is verbatum

"What really killed the Benz's chances of upsetting the M3, however, was its harsh ride. At low speeds, the suspension seems overly damped; the C63 dutifully tracks every lump in the pavement to the detriment of the jostled occupants. As the speeds rise, on back-road two-lanes, for example, the problem disappears and the Benz feels extremely capable and secure. But at even higher speeds, on unlimited sections of autobahn, the bucking behavior is back. It never caused the C63 to feel unstable but was nevertheless clearly the worst of the three cars."

[sayemthree]

Originally Posted by ase2dais

thats right hwrdcur, how about that Driving Event link registration, Im drooling

FORGET IT - ITS FOR bmw people only.

[ase2dais]

[sayemthree]

Tsukuba track Japan

ISF owned on its own turf:

28. BMW M3 (E92) 1:05.817 ´07 420 / 1619 Best Motoring
48. Lexus IS F 1:07.087 ´07 423 / 1690 Best Motoring
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[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by sayemthree

a few? how about all major US mags, RT, CD, MT, AW.....

The MB is VERY fast - but not MT ruins it for me. plus its more cruiser than track machine. Its also got tooooo much bling goin on.

Exactly

Almost every single comparo has the M3 winning.

Only one comparo doesn't, where the C63 won.

Each comparo I have read has the IS-F in LAST PLACE. Even behind the aging RS4.

Originally Posted by 335destroyer

I think the isf can probably beat the m3 in a straight line but around the track theres no way

Correct the IS-F was 4.4 seconds slower a lap than the M3 sedan on the Motor Trend test tract.