Full bolt on or supercharger?!

[Properstyle]

Originally Posted by Weyne Masters

My old engine had VT-625 and E-100

what did it put down and what tuning was used ? standalone or factory ecu

[azndrunk74]

Originally Posted by Properstyle

what did it put down and what tuning was used ? standalone or factory ecu

i believe he's running the syvecs ecu.

[Properstyle]

Originally Posted by azndrunk74

i believe he's running the syvecs ecu.

Yeah if I was standalone wi H out question I would be full E85 with lots of timing to take advantage of it. But stock ecu no one is tuning it out side of gintani and maybe rk.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by yeah_knee

So picked up an e92 m3.. doing the infamous rod bearings replacement soon ... and after that ... debating

I'm actually happy with the stock power ... but it could use a littttttllllleeeee more

Do I go full bolt on and tune and add a decent 40-50 HP To the wheel ( probably $$3.5 k total) ... that would actually put me at a perfect power for street use

Or do I go insane and do the ess supercharger 625 kit (about $9k ) ... now honestly you wouldn't even be able to use all the power here but the thought of having it is what makes it so fun hahhahha

Right now leaning towards doing a couple full bolt ons with a tune

What u think

Keep in mind you live in Cali and you have to get your car smogged every 2 years now. Changing out an xpipe vs. a supercharger are 2 different animals. Also, a tune is $900, test pipes $400, pullies $400 and a CAI (not much of a gain over a drop in) can all be done in under $2500.

I found my Megan catback used for $200, test pipes used for $200, BPM Stg. 2 tune $900 and bought a AFE Carbon Fibre CAI used but with new filter for $300 for a total of $1600. Couldn't be happier. Do I want more power? Of course..just the thought of having to rip out a SC every 2 years is prohibitive.

Dave

[yeah_knee]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Keep in mind you live in Cali and you have to get your car smogged every 2 years now. Changing out an xpipe vs. a supercharger are 2 different animals.

Dave

Supercharger 625 installed already

[Weyne Masters]

Originally Posted by Properstyle

what did it put down and what tuning was used ? standalone or factory ecu

Originally Posted by azndrunk74

i believe he's running the syvecs ecu.

Syvecs ECU and new Fuel sistem
Fuel Rail 10 AN
2200c ID injection
4 Walbros

[Properstyle]

Originally Posted by Weyne Masters

Syvecs ECU and new Fuel sistem
Fuel Rail 10 AN
2200c ID injection
4 Walbros

4 walbros? why? 2 would have made up for your fuel needs and more. even on full e85 that's way over kill just a huge draw on the electrical system.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by yeah_knee

Supercharger 625 installed already

Sorry didn't read all the pages..

Hope you enjoy in good health.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Keep in mind you live in Cali and you have to get your car smogged every 2 years now. Changing out an xpipe vs. a supercharger are 2 different animals. Also, a tune is $900, test pipes $400, pullies $400 and a CAI (not much of a gain over a drop in) can all be done in under $2500.

I found my Megan catback used for $200, test pipes used for $200, BPM Stg. 2 tune $900 and bought a AFE Carbon Fibre CAI used but with new filter for $300 for a total of $1600. Couldn't be happier. Do I want more power? Of course..just the thought of having to rip out a SC every 2 years is prohibitive.

Dave

I would imagine CA is the largest market for supercharger kits. How do other people pass smog? I would imagine you can pass with the supercharger + emissions tune loaded + stock xpipe... Shouldn't be any need to remove the kit every 2 years.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

I would imagine CA is the largest market for supercharger kits. How do other people pass smog? I would imagine you can pass with the supercharger + emissions tune loaded + stock xpipe... Shouldn't be any need to remove the kit every 2 years.

You will fail the visual.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

You will fail the visual.

For the supercharger or the xpipe? And my question stands, how does everyone else in Cali get away with it?

[azndrunk74]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

For the supercharger or the xpipe? And my question stands, how does everyone else in Cali get away with it?

secret. no one will discuss it publicly.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by azndrunk74

secret. no one will discuss it publicly.

Well I doubt the secret is pulling the supercharger and reinstalling every two years . I don't see how the supercharger would be a cause for failing a visual test like an xpipe would be, would it? Therefore I don't see why smog testing would be a reason for someone to avoid installing a supercharger.

Or am I really just missing something here?

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

For the supercharger or the xpipe? And my question stands, how does everyone else in Cali get away with it?

Either one..the issue with the XPipe is getting all the readiness codes to be green. Cali only allows one code to not be green and thats the Evap. Everything else has to have green readiness.

The issue on the visual is more on the S/C. You pop the hood and they see a S/C without a CARB number. Fail...

In Cali we don't do sniffer tests anymore. Its readiness codes and visual.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Either one..the issue with the XPipe is getting all the readiness codes to be green. Cali only allows one code to not be green and thats the Evap. Everything else has to have green readiness.

The issue on the visual is more on the S/C. You pop the hood and they see a S/C without a CARB number. Fail...

In Cali we don't do sniffer tests anymore. Its readiness codes and visual.

Ah, I see. You can get an emissions tune from ESS that will get all the readiness monitors to be green with a stock xpipe (or possibly HFC xpipe). Not sure how other folks are handling the visual aspect though.

[Weyne Masters]

Originally Posted by Properstyle

4 walbros? why? 2 would have made up for your fuel needs and more. even on full e85 that's way over kill just a huge draw on the electrical system.

Originally Posted by Properstyle

4 walbros? why? 2 would have made up for your fuel needs and more. even on full e85 that's way over kill just a huge draw on the electrical system.

4 walbros is good enough now we are running 100% Meth istead to Ethanol E-100.
Só its a lot off fuel demand for 800WHP

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by project e46m3

Get a used ESS 625 with a full exhaust system and enjoy the ride.

I just picked up my SC kit and look forward to the thrill once installed.

Any leads on this exact set up? Looking for one now.

[k3silk]

What if we are not local?

Originally Posted by kevin @ eas

We have had a few cars crack 400whp on our dyno. That combo consists of:
Tune
Intake
Pulleys
Catless X-pipe
and preferably lighter wheels

Right now with ESS's price drop recently the 595 kit seems to be the best bang for the buck. $7k and will get you in the 500whp club. 8k will get you about 30 more hp with the 625 kit. With a used kit keep in mind you will have to buy the tune again which is $900-1k so add that on top of the price.

If you are local to us we still have the free install deal going on ESS superchargers.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Iyzmi

Ah, I see. You can get an emissions tune from ESS that will get all the readiness monitors to be green with a stock xpipe (or possibly HFC xpipe). Not sure how other folks are handling the visual aspect though.

Are you sure ESS offers a emissions tune with HFCs or no cats? Its a Federal crime, $10k for each occurence I believe. Multiply that by the number of cars they did and you will see a financial disaster for ESS.

BTW this is from ESS's website..

Catless and high flow cat software is for off road use only, not available for customers in California.

[Iyzmi]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Are you sure ESS offers a emissions tune with HFCs or no cats? Its a Federal crime, $10k for each occurence I believe. Multiply that by the number of cars they did and you will see a financial disaster for ESS.

BTW this is from ESS's website..

ESS will provide you an emissions tune, but it will not help if you are catless. It doesn't hardcode ready status as that would be illegal. The emissions tune will just allow the car to run the O2 sensor readiness test, not guarantee that you will pass it. With that said, there is indeed a chance it would pass with HFCs.

This is my readiness status with an ESS 625 and stock exhaust:



I was able to pass with the regular tune, but if I needed that last green check mark the emissions tune would do the trick.

[94jedi]

man the allure of a FBO s65 is hard to ignore. I'd love to add headers, cams and that Karbon intake plenum + a custom e85 tune...but that would be like $15k and I'd make maybe 415-430 at the wheels on a generous dyno...bragging rights and uniqueness would be cool but honestly, I'd rather have 500 at the wheel at call it a day for a smaller (overall) investment.