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A four year old model is still segment king?
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1) Does one have better ratios optimized for 1/4 mile or 150mph runs? 2) Does one need to shift an extra time in the 1/4 to 150? 3) Is the extra weight from the DCT enough to matter? I don't know the answer, but all these things would matter. Also, before you get too excited about all of the magazine test numbers, I believe most of them apply corrections for atmosphere effects and handle those correctons differantly. Add to that driver skill and differant weight from differant options, and its hard so say whether or not one car in a test is faster than another just based on the 'zines quoted performance stats. I personally think 0-60 (a stat I obsess over) is irrelavent with today's cars, but for some reason I still get giddy when I think that my car may be able to do it so quickly. I think the only value it has is how incredibly prolific it is, but in the current high HP era, it truely only represents a small part of the engine performance. Look at the Audi TT RS that does 0-60 in 3.x seconds, but was no faster in the 1/4 mile than the 1M Coupe.
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Quote .... "From the manual gearbox to the higher-revving engine, the M3 is the more involving car." end of Quote
Well done Benz ... just a slice short so the M3 is still King for the day and still ~smiling~ for now as for the BMW looking old ... I disagree with the writers that put that description to paper ... I call it .... Forever young I did drive the C63 AMG before I got into my third M3 and I must say for my money ... the M3 is the ticket yes sir it sure is.
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I love the M pride on this site. I'm a week away from delivery if my third M car, and I have to say I feel it too. This may be the first car in my life I keepfor more than three years
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This has been beaten to death and it seems that everyone comes to the same conclusion. No one best car...each are great...and all very different.
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I'm not sure if it will NA FTW!!!!
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I do agree ... the men at the ///M Division will always be a step ahead ... like now working on the secret engine that will be under the hood of the next ///M3 generation.
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One thing that I found very interesting in the C&D specs.
They now report the "center of gravity" for the vehicle. I find this very interesting, especially if you track your car. Most of the time, companies claim that they have a low CG, but it is never verified. Lots of haters make fun of the CF roof and bmws claim to lower CG....but it is 1.5 inches lower than the benz, and 5 inches lower than the recent Buicks and volvos! Also of interest is that it is only 1 inch higher than a cayman R, despite the fact that the M3 is 5 inches taller overall, and is also sedan-like in design. That inch could easily be the lower CG of the Boxer motor. All I can say is BRAVO to BMW's engineers! Also, one thing that is nice about the MT M3...it is lighter. The scales seem to suggest that it is 90 LBS lighter than the DCT. I would still pick a dct for the track, but in a car that is marginally too heavy to start with, I like the idea that I don't have those 90 lbs ahead of the midline of the car! |
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So the sedan has better compliance than the coupe? Any reason why? Different suspension tuning between the two?
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Car and Driver will never hear the end of bitching about declaring the M3 as the winner again.
I'm fine with that.
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