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03-17-2009, 10:00 AM | #1 |
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The M3 truly requires a good driver to really make it shine!
I love the M3 dearly, as much as I love my measly 135i. I've had a few runs with some e92's, and driven a couple pretty hard...fascinating cars.
Yesterday, just by coincidence, a black e92 M3 and I played a little, and as been the case previously, I was able to keep up and start to pull on him.... But I know for a fact that with a good driver that knows this car's sweet spot, it would spank me if need be. My original thoughts were that the M3 would truly shine on the turns, but seems to me that even in straight line, if a driver really knows the shift points and power curves of this car, it can really make it a beast. I was looking at the modded ACSchnitzer 135i vs stock e92 times at the nurburging, and what really jumped out of me was not the times on the turns, but the STRAIGHT LINE times!! Specially, the 1st sector (which is a straight line from a dig) where the M3 pulls a good second on the car, and then sector 5, (straigh line from a roll) where it pulls an astonishing 2 seconds!! thats outstanding!!!
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well, that depends on how modded said 135i is, but yeah, for the mostpart.
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03-18-2009, 05:49 AM | #6 |
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I find it incredible that the AC Schnitzer 135i was quicker in all the the technic sections than the M3, yes there a slight weight difference but it's not really big enough to suggest that it's the real reason for the improvement. I'm of the belief that Schnitzer suspension setup is probably superior.
Is it known whether it's equipped with a LSD? |
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03-18-2009, 07:14 AM | #10 |
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It all depends on how the electronic LSD behaves (if) that is the case. There is some very good versions out there that behave remarkably like a proper LSD so I wouldn't rule this out if it indeed has this form of slip.
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I'm like you, i'm stomped on how the predicted times are "reversed" here...I surely predicted the M3 to gain some time around the turns, and expected the 135i to gain speed on the straights, but it's actually the other way around!!! The only conclusion plausible to me is that the DCT + launch control on the M3, in addition to a driver really knowing the powerband sweetspot of the M, can really take it to some serious performance!!
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03-18-2009, 07:29 AM | #12 |
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I take it the same person drove all the cars listed in this test, if so then differing driver ability is taken out of the equation or should I say that the driver must feel more confident in the 135i compared to the M3.
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Either way, this is even more impressive for the M3...
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03-18-2009, 11:56 AM | #14 |
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for the times listed on this thread.
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03-18-2009, 12:20 PM | #15 | |
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i've tried that e diff on a stock 135i and it's nice but not yet a real //M ls diff or Drexler ls diff(better than //M diff) |
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03-18-2009, 03:34 PM | #18 |
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exactly, which would logically make you think it was in the turns where the times were made..... but that's not the case, it was actually in the straights where the times were made.
this is the confusing part.
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03-18-2009, 03:49 PM | #19 |
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Without knowing all the facts (i.e. tyre choice on all cars) then us are guessing why the M3 was slower in the bits it should logically be quicker. RH is right in saying a mechanical diff is better but I don't think the difference is that great in road cars. I'm guessing the suspension is probably better suit to track use and less of a compromise as is the case with the M3.
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03-18-2009, 06:06 PM | #20 |
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The results are not surprising - the 135s will have far superior mid-range torque, hence have a natural advantage accelerating out of any slow corners. This is reflected in the sector times. I'll bet the M3 carries more spped through the corners, it just loses time coming out of them...another factor could be brakes - anybody know if the 135s had brake upgrades?
The M3 has far more horsepower and at a higher RPM, so it will always be faster on straights and high speed sweepers... |
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