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11-10-2012, 11:13 PM | #45 |
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I envision a future in which it will be much harder to enjoy driving fast on the streets. In high density population areas there are just too many people on the road to drive fast. Perhaps someday law enforcement will use automated speeding ticket traps on the freeway, making it impossible to speed. Maybe the future will look similar to the movie "The Minority Report" where public transportation and civilian cars are on fixed rails liked trains and are piloted by computer programs. Someday NA gasoline engines will be a thing of the past and the quickest cars will be electric. This may be the best and last time to enjoy such a brilliantly engineered high quality V8 gas guzzler. These were some of the ideas that influenced me to pull the trigger on my e92 zcp and ditch my 2002 Subaru Forester. It's the first really nice thing I've ever owned and I have no regrets. Originally I thought I would eventually sell the car when the mileage got high, but now I think I might keep it forever.
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11-11-2012, 05:05 AM | #47 |
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I agree. The E46 is much more unreliable.
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11-11-2012, 05:20 AM | #49 |
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E46M has its fair share of problems. But, I test drove a black 2003 6mt with 18,000 miles on it a long time ago...closest I'd ever get to a brand new one. That car was easily the most fantastic I'd ever climbed behind the wheel of. Part of me regrets not buying it.
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11-11-2012, 05:21 AM | #50 |
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the key for the new M3 is to have a serious increase in off the line speeds. it must be around 3-7 or better. and whatever it takes to do that then bmw should take those steps.
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Catastrophic VANOS failure Subframe issues Just too big of issues to deal with for me personally. Otherwise, I'd have an E46 M3 Imola Red on Black or Cinnamon in my garage. When someone figures out the VANOS tabs issues, give me a call Quote:
What I'm saying is that clean M3's (actually any M car) that has been well maintained will go for a premium. Not counting the ones that have under 10k, they can be had for reasonable money. Take the E39 M5 for example, what many people consider the BEST 4 door sedan ever made. They can be had for 20 grand as well, but are considered classics!
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I'll save the E36 vs E46 reliability debate for a different thread.
A clean, low mileage 05/06 E46 M3 still can go for over $30k. It think what you are starting to see is a lot of E46 M3s (mostly silver) are getting beat on and consumed at the track. I'm willing to bet that in 3-4 years you'll see good condition E46 M3s (coupe, 6MT, no sunroof) command a significant premium. And eventually become the highly desired and rare driver's car that the E30 M3 is. You can't really look at a beat up convertible SMG. I can go get one for about $10k right now. I can also get a worn out E30 M3 for $10k. I don't think the E36 M3 will ever command a premium except for the couple of LTWs.
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Bolts from the Z4M. VANOS exhaust hub from dr vanos. Subframe: BMW structural foam BEFORE failure. $400, 1 hour of labor. Done. Not a single instance of failure with either.
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For a vehicle that gives you practical transport abilities, there is very little out there that can match an M3 in all its parameters. Sure, if you gave it AWD, it would launch faster off the line, but it would weigh about 200lbs more and the steering feel/responsiveness would be dulled. The next gen M3 is slated to have 255/275 tires. This will not be enough to deal with the added torque. The car should have 295/305 in the rear. Of course if you do this and keep the front tires narrow, you get understeer. If you widen the front tires, you get tramlining, dulled steering responsiveness, more noise etc, etc, etc. Bottom line....choose your evil that you are willing to live with. There is only so much you can do in a vehicle designed for practical transportation.
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I would be really disappointed if the next M3 is simply a shrunken version of my F10 M5. If they simply slap a 3.5 straight 6 with twin turbo and call it a day, it would be underwhelming. I am expecting some new goodies like a tri-turbo setup or something innovative to help eliminate turbo lag. Lag while minimal, is still present in the M5. For a large executive sedan like the M5, it's still within tolerable limit, but my sense is that buyers would be a lot less forgiving when it comes to the M3. Somehow, my hopes are not high now as BMW seems to be more interested in cost cutting these days.
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