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      01-16-2011, 10:22 AM   #111
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I think this thread actually predates the "vs..." forum.
Agreed, thanks for the heads-up.


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      01-16-2011, 11:52 AM   #112
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      01-16-2011, 01:56 PM   #113
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c63 sucks.

Here is an alternative solution, if you want a great straight line car, get a corvette with an ls7 or ls2 and mod it out.

if you want a track machine you get m3.

i am biased here, since i do want an american muscle car but more importantly m3= FTW
therefore m3= 1st place for looks speed performance everything!
2nd place= z06 american muscle sound great straightline performance.

i know money is not a subject in this thread but why pay 90k for just the engine? interior sucks, everything else sucks, handling also sucks. therefore does an engine really cost 90k? oh wait i am forgetting the MBZ badge which is history these days.

Lexus and BMW have by far passed MBZ, like it or not it is reality.
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      01-16-2011, 01:59 PM   #114
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Tell you what chief. This is all about opinion. In my opinion (and in the EPA's opinion), the BMW SMG box is an automatic. In your opinion, it's a stick.

This is hardly important, is it? In my words to Swamp, it's stupendously inconsequential.

Having rebuilt both sticks and automatics over the years, my knowledge is at least sufficient to have an opinion and the ability to defend it. However, as you've cleverly discovered after however many days now, my argument is simply not technical, but practical. Technically, I'm perfectly OK with you calling out differences between gearboxes, and using specific names for them.

Why aren't you OK with a practical argument?

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Bruce, SMG is not an automatic, i am sorry that your opinion leads that way.

do you even know what SMG stands for? I think if you knew you would not make yourself look like a fool on a public forum where everyone is a car guru.

SMG= Sequential Manual Gearbox.

PS. i could really careless what you call it, i had an e46 m3 smg for 2 years, i hated the smg just because it wasnt engineered well for the street at all. If it was an automatic it would be great for the street wouldnt it? SMG is only fun to drive when there is no cops, no bad drivers on the road, oh wait i think i am explaining the track. SMG= track for the win
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      01-16-2011, 02:14 PM   #115
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Both pretty sexy cars. Fast straight line, heavy, beautiful (c63 more so), refined, special, and has quite the exhaust note. All biased and hate aside, what would you pick?

Personally, I would go for the c63 for many many reasons. The decision obviously lies on perspective and what you've read and seen in pictures so I think the edge is pretty even. Note that none of us have driven any of these cares.


So what's your pick?
first of all the question should be the e90 m3 vs the c63 not the e92.
and then id pick the M3 sedan
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      01-16-2011, 03:59 PM   #116
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What didn't you like about the C63 and what appeals to you about the M3? I was 51/49 in favor of the C63 and I need a new car early fall when my lease is up. I still am considering getting an M3 as it finishes its run.
I should first say that I did like the C63. I haven't seen any around my area and just happened to check out a Mercedes dealer that I was passing by to see if they happened to have one. They did have a used '09 that I took for a quick test drive.

I did like the sound of the car, very nice. The interior was ok, I was expecting nicer for a Mercedes, but I guess I didn't know what to expect. I'm not a big fan of the screen that pops out of the dash. Just me I guess.

The styling of the car just doesn't stand out from the C300 enough for me. I can just see a friend of mine that has a C300 saying that I bought the same car as him. But I can also see people saying that I bought the same BMW that I already owned, even though I was going from a 335 to an M3.

They wanted way too much for the '09 and then told me they had a truck coming this weekend to take it to a wholesaler since they couldn't sell it. They wanted more for it than a '09 CPO M5 from the BMW dealer...I could just kick myself for not pulling the trigger on that one!

I'm kind of biased towards the BMW since I'm familiar with them already too.

It's all in personal taste.
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      01-16-2011, 04:34 PM   #117
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Bruce, SMG is not an automatic, i am sorry that your opinion leads that way.

do you even know what SMG stands for? I think if you knew you would not make yourself look like a fool on a public forum where everyone is a car guru.

SMG= Sequential Manual Gearbox.

PS. i could really careless what you call it, i had an e46 m3 smg for 2 years, i hated the smg just because it wasnt engineered well for the street at all. If it was an automatic it would be great for the street wouldnt it? SMG is only fun to drive when there is no cops, no bad drivers on the road, oh wait i think i am explaining the track. SMG= track for the win
Gee, for a guy who could "careless" , you seem to be a bit excited after all this time.

Apparently, the EPA and I agree that it's an auto, I assume because it's got only two pedals and it shifts itself - unless you want to shift it yourself, like pretty much every auto since the 1940s.

Bruce

PS - There are about six people (not more) on this forum that really are automotive gurus, and I'm one of them.
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      01-16-2011, 08:39 PM   #118
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Thumbs up

Here is an alternative solution, if you want a great straight line car, get a corvette with an ls7 or ls2 and mod it out.

if you want a track machine you get m3.
Completely agree...
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      01-17-2011, 02:04 PM   #119
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I don't understand how a Z06 with an LS7 engine is not good on the track? I am pretty sure it would run rings around an m3 on the track.
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      01-17-2011, 02:24 PM   #120
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I don't understand how a Z06 with an LS7 engine is not good on the track? I am pretty sure it would run rings around an m3 on the track.
Since a base 2005 Z51 Vette with 400 HP made it around the 'Ring in 7:59, a current 436 HP Grand Sport Vette pretty much lays waste to the current M3, as well.

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      01-17-2011, 02:25 PM   #121
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if you want straight line speed get a Z06 Carbon, if you want a track beast get a Z06 Carbon.
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PS - There are about six people (not more) on this forum that really are automotive gurus, and I'm one of them.
I had to LOL!

Reminds me of people who like to brag about how rich they are. Or those who feel the need to tell others how smart they are. It's less genuine when you have to tell people how great you are.
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PS - There are about six people (not more) on this forum that really are automotive gurus, and I'm one of them.
Oh wow... we're blessed.
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      01-18-2011, 01:16 PM   #124
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PS - There are about six people (not more) on this forum that really are automotive gurus, and I'm one of them.
What happens when you come to a stop in a automated manual gearbox vs. one with a torque converter?
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      01-18-2011, 03:16 PM   #125
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Oh wow... we're blessed.
You actually are, although you don't realize it. Most of these forums are populated by folks who are enthusiasts, but are not very knowledgeable. You may have one, or perhaps even two people who actually know what they're talking about.

On the other hand, this forum has enjoyed participation from extremely knowledgeable folks such as Swamp, Pencilgeek, lucid, even Sticky when he was in a good mood, one or two others, and me.

Most of us don't post as often as we used to, I suppose mainly because there are so many on here who combine ignorance with attitude.

That's a shame, because there is a lot, repeat, a lot of very good content posted in this venue from the aforementioned. Here is a sample of something I wrote a few months ago. or here, as another example.

If you have the time and inclination, check out the history of those mentioned. You'll learn something from their posts.

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      01-18-2011, 06:58 PM   #126
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I don't think anybody here is disputing your knowledge... the comments were made in response to your somewhat egocentric statement.
I admit I had to grin when I typed it...

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I guess I ended up choosing the E90 M3... lol...
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      03-10-2011, 04:21 PM   #128
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What didn't you like about the C63 and what appeals to you about the M3? I was 51/49 in favor of the C63 and I need a new car early fall when my lease is up. I still am considering getting an M3 as it finishes its run.
I should first say that I did like the C63. I haven't seen any around my area and just happened to check out a Mercedes dealer that I was passing by to see if they happened to have one. They did have a used '09 that I took for a quick test drive.

I did like the sound of the car, very nice. The interior was ok, I was expecting nicer for a Mercedes, but I guess I didn't know what to expect. I'm not a big fan of the screen that pops out of the dash. Just me I guess.

The styling of the car just doesn't stand out from the C300 enough for me. I can just see a friend of mine that has a C300 saying that I bought the same car as him. But I can also see people saying that I bought the same BMW that I already owned, even though I was going from a 335 to an M3.

They wanted way too much for the '09 and then told me they had a truck coming this weekend to take it to a wholesaler since they couldn't sell it. They wanted more for it than a '09 CPO M5 from the BMW dealer...I could just kick myself for not pulling the trigger on that one!

I'm kind of biased towards the BMW since I'm familiar with them already too.

It's all in personal taste.
Strange on the price. I paid 54,500 including gas guzzler for my c63 brand new '09 about 18 months ago. So now they want more than that for used ones? Mine stickered at 67,000. If not for the discount I would have gone m3 but it was 10,000 more equipped the same. I couldn't justify $10k for it. And I needed a sedan so people mentioning vettes, not even an option for me.
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For me if I got a C63 I would have needed a track car and a vette would have needed a back seat for my girls... M3 e90 FTW
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M3 forever. Work with Mb for 3 month and I'm already bored with them.
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I've heard that C63 owners need new tires every 7-10,000 miles, this would be really annoything to me.

The C63 coupe speaks to me, I would definetly own one - I'm afraid that fully loaded it will be out of my price range.
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