Mosselman M3 MSL Achieves 500hp/354tq Naturally Aspirated

rushx85 · 07-19-2010, 03:23 AM

Hey guys!

Just found this on the internet. I couldnt find any threads about this car but I still hope its not a repost.
Unfortunately not too many pics of the car yet but I think it looks promising. I`m digging the forged rims!

Enjoy!

From Homepage

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Dutch tuning company Mosselman has announced their M3 MSL which is claimed to achieve a most impressive 500hp / 354lb-ft tq at just 4200rpm. This power is achieved with a redesigned carbon intake system, Akrapovic titanium exhaust system, Camshafts, cylinderheads, and custom software. To help handle that power is a custom suspension and 4-piston brake system. Look good bits include an adjustable CF front splitter, a CF rear diffuser, CF trunk lid spoiler, and 20" Mosselman wheels.

http://www.mosselmanturbo.com/media/...msltuning.html

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DCMETRO22Z · 07-19-2010, 08:06 AM

Achieving 500hp on the S65 engine whithout stroker or FI is no joke. I just wish that's true.

bavarian19 · 07-19-2010, 08:31 AM

eh

BMW269 · 07-19-2010, 12:55 PM

Cool. Now expect the M3 GTS-R to get a + 500 HP 4.4l V8 S65B44

rushx85 · 07-22-2010, 12:39 PM

The are located in the Netherlands.
I might visit them on an off day.
If so, I´ll post up some better pics hopefully

e92_m3 · 07-22-2010, 12:46 PM

Their lip looks good!

Diffuser is too aggressive IMHO.

Trier Germany · 07-22-2010, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushx85

The are located in the Netherlands.
I might visit them on an off day.
If so, I´ll post up some better pics hopefully

Your located in Aachen?

Chasen Kinetechnik · 07-23-2010, 07:25 PM

Ill make the same power (probably more) with out the cylinderhead job

ersin · 07-23-2010, 07:47 PM

Some of the power gain is achieved from raising the redline. I wonder how high it is? Max power is at 8600 rpm, so, maybe 8700. I wish they could have lightened it more but 1570 kg for the package is not bad. I bet the 1570 point is its real weight vs. the 1685 kg for the supercharged car no doubt taken from BMW's "unladen" weight plus another 10 kg. Most M3s do not weigh this much, supercharger or not.

I think its pretty cool that they did this with just the Akra exhaust plus the top end work and tune. NA FTW.

Cheers.

FStop7 · 07-23-2010, 07:55 PM

Dynos or BS

gr8000 · 07-24-2010, 03:20 AM

Who's gonna be the first one to try them?!...

Is there any sort of engine warranty for this mod?

BTW, who are they and what is their experience / background? Sorry but it is the first time I hear them (not meant to be an adverse comment, its just me being genuinely ignorant).

Sales@Evolve · 07-24-2010, 08:32 AM

We've met these guys in person. Very nice people.

Hopefully we'll see some results soon.

Bob MG · 07-24-2010, 12:22 PM

That air box design is pretty interesting...
But it's only 20% power gain on the crank and we hvent seen dynos yet.

Cams also make some nice peak power gains on NA and moving redline to 8800 with cams will make power at the top.

The SC compare at 500hp is a little lain considering that's probably boosting 4psi

The reckon the airbox and cams are good for another 20hp

And that's only 16whp

Ryan(e92) · 07-24-2010, 01:21 PM

They are claiming those numbers at 4800 rpms. Well done if its true. I remain skeptical.

Orange fever · 07-24-2010, 02:58 PM

Nice... more info -?

808E90 · 07-24-2010, 05:24 PM

I like the diffuser

ianbiz · 07-24-2010, 06:38 PM

that + a SC = super fast m3?

Kinzer S13GT · 07-24-2010, 06:38 PM

Whats to be skeptical about. Other companies have pulled higher number than this from similar mods, minus such extensive intake work. Its known (I hope) that BMW has their engines output, largely dialed back for reliability. These are actually lower numbers than what most of the competition is boasting. (not sure about the torque curve though)

Box Collector · 07-24-2010, 07:28 PM

gnarly

M3 Montreal · 07-24-2010, 07:57 PM

Im not surprised about the HP gains I'm surprised about the HUGE Torque gains...

I Dyno'd at a tad over 400 WHP and 295 WTQ and I'm naturally aspirated. Im very close to their numbers on HP but Tq they KILL me. As an FYI that dyno was on a wheel hub Dyno (Dynapack) using instructions from pencilgeek for gear and ratio to use.

808E90 · 07-24-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

Im not surprised about the HP gains I'm surprised about the HUGE Torque gains...

I Dyno'd at a tad over 400 WHP and 295 WTQ and I'm naturally aspirated. Im very close to their numbers on HP but Tq they KILL me. As an FYI that dyno was on a wheel hub Dyno (Dynapack) using instructions from pencilgeek for gear and ratio to use.

Dang those are some huge gains for just bolt on mods

Oshin02 · 07-24-2010, 09:00 PM

Anyone realize that the torq is in nm. It's not 480 torq, it's actually 354 torq

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ersin Brigadier General 126 Rep 4,145 Posts Drives: 17 YMB F80 M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Maryland iTrader: (1)	Some of the power gain is achieved from raising the redline. I wonder how high it is? Max power is at 8600 rpm, so, maybe 8700. I wish they could have lightened it more but 1570 kg for the package is not bad. I bet the 1570 point is its real weight vs. the 1685 kg for the supercharged car no doubt taken from BMW's "unladen" weight plus another 10 kg. Most M3s do not weigh this much, supercharger or not. I think its pretty cool that they did this with just the Akra exhaust plus the top end work and tune. NA FTW. Cheers. __________________ 2017 F80 YMB.
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Bob MG Moderating 418 Rep 2,047 Posts Drives: like a muppet Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Dubai iTrader: (0)	That air box design is pretty interesting... But it's only 20% power gain on the crank and we hvent seen dynos yet. Cams also make some nice peak power gains on NA and moving redline to 8800 with cams will make power at the top. The SC compare at 500hp is a little lain considering that's probably boosting 4psi The reckon the airbox and cams are good for another 20hp And that's only 16whp
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M3 Montreal Colonel 68 Rep 2,194 Posts Drives: 2012 M3 SG ,DCT & 2011 S4 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal , Canada iTrader: (0)	Im not surprised about the HP gains I'm surprised about the HUGE Torque gains... I Dyno'd at a tad over 400 WHP and 295 WTQ and I'm naturally aspirated. Im very close to their numbers on HP but Tq they KILL me. As an FYI that dyno was on a wheel hub Dyno (Dynapack) using instructions from pencilgeek for gear and ratio to use. __________________ 2012 E92-M3 Space Grey on Fox Red, DCT 2011 B8 S4 S-Tronic , Black on magma red
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