Blown motors, Rod Bearing failure S65 Registry.

M3ForMe93 · 08-19-2016, 03:39 PM

add me to the list. rod bearings failed. going 40 mph loss power car cut off. BMW quoted over 35k in repairs!!!! went around 100k miles they said the metallic noise i was hearing was normal

NOW MY BABY IS DISABLED!!! car has 140k miles

pbonsalb · 08-19-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M3ForMe93

add me to the list. rod bearings failed. going 40 mph loss power car cut off. BMW quoted over 35k in repairs!!!! went around 100k miles they said the metallic noise i was hearing was normal

NOW MY BABY IS DISABLED!!! car has 140k miles

I am sorry this has happened to you. Some people think that if one of these cars has made it to around 100k, then the engine must have been put together right and should not suffer rod bearing problems.

My thought has been that more and more engines will be failing prematurely as the mileage increases. A lot of these cars just arent driven much.

The repair, with a used engine and a rod bearing service on it, might be as little as $10k in parts and $4k in labor by an independent shop.

///M Power-Belgium · 08-19-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by M3ForMe93

add me to the list. rod bearings failed. going 40 mph loss power car cut off. BMW quoted over 35k in repairs!!!! went around 100k miles they said the metallic noise i was hearing was normal

NOW MY BABY IS DISABLED!!! car has 140k miles

I'm really sorry to hear this , but please can you discripe your metallic noise that you heard ?

And yeah ...All S65 metallic noises are just normal for BMW/Dealers and when something serious happens it's for your/our wallet ..and of course they never heard from BF and a rebuild S65 is required !
For me personal it's BMW financial speculation from day 1 !

M3ForMe93 · 08-19-2016, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I'm really sorry to hear this , but please can you discripe your metallic noise that you heard ?

And yeah ...All S65 metallic noises are just normal for BMW/Dealers and when something serious happens it's for your/our wallet ..and of course they never heard from BF and a rebuild S65 is required !
For me personal it's BMW financial speculation from day 1 !

it was a light knocking noise between 2k and 4k rpm on light load. car ran great otherwise.

L4ces · 08-19-2016, 04:57 PM

Darn sorry to see that this has happened yet again!

///M Power-Belgium · 08-19-2016, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by M3ForMe93

it was a light knocking noise between 2k and 4k rpm on light load. car ran great otherwise.

Thank you .
You mean a metallic ticking noise that increase and sound synchronously with rpm speed ?

javarithms · 08-19-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by M3ForMe93

add me to the list. rod bearings failed. going 40 mph loss power car cut off. BMW quoted over 35k in repairs!!!! went around 100k miles they said the metallic noise i was hearing was normal

NOW MY BABY IS DISABLED!!! car has 140k miles

Get in touch with the firms that are leading the class action lawsuit against BMW. You might get something out of it. It will also help the community.

http://lawgsp.com/important-update-o...-class-action/

https://chimicles.com/bmw-m3-engine-...ction-lawsuit/

Doc Oc · 08-19-2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by M3ForMe93

add me to the list. rod bearings failed. going 40 mph loss power car cut off. BMW quoted over 35k in repairs!!!! went around 100k miles they said the metallic noise i was hearing was normal

NOW MY BABY IS DISABLED!!! car has 140k miles

Man that sucks to hear. Just got my car back today after having a new engine installed. I feel your pain. You can find decent deals on used engines on ebay. Should be able to nab a low mileage one for about $8500.

CHE///MIST3 · 08-19-2016, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by M3ForMe93

add me to the list. rod bearings failed. going 40 mph loss power car cut off. BMW quoted over 35k in repairs!!!! went around 100k miles they said the metallic noise i was hearing was normal

NOW MY BABY IS DISABLED!!! car has 140k miles

So ummmm....you successfully drove your car with a knocking rod for ~40,000 miles?!

..but yeah, like others have said, you can get into a nice replacement motor for less than $10K, and then part out your blown motor to help cover the expense. Here's one with fresh bearings installed. $8K

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1244366

GM

jrlee53 · 08-24-2016, 12:28 PM

Just got mine replaced 2 weeks ago with BE Bearings @ 65k. Changed oil every 4-5k miles. I do track the car several times a year, but everything was OEM before the swap. Didn't notice any strange knocking or any other weird noises from the motor. Glad I decided to change them. Only found out about the rod bearing issue 2 months ago (was hiding under a rock).

Rahstar · 08-25-2016, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aus

This one is new to me:

There's a bunch on YouTube:

There are a LOT more on YouTube. We only have a small percentage of owners who are members here. I'm sure there are people who don't notice the ticking or don't want to potentially label their car as damaged for resale value purposes, but this is best way to show BMW there is a problem if your motor blows. It's basically how the S54 guys had their engines fixed by BMW when a bunch of cases started showing up on the net.
PLEASE add to this thread if you know of other cases.

Here's a very nice compilation of engine failures broken down by state and year by senorfunkypants. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=935368

If you're in California and your engine blew, check out this thread where the tuxblackedo got a buy back after the warranty expired by getting a lawyer involved: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=894665
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2008 e93 M3 85,000 spun # 5 bearing. Garage kept, well maintained

Helmsman · 08-25-2016, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by M3ForMe93

add me to the list. rod bearings failed. going 40 mph loss power car cut off. BMW quoted over 35k in repairs!!!! went around 100k miles they said the metallic noise i was hearing was normal

NOW MY BABY IS DISABLED!!! car has 140k miles

Sorry to hear bro. "They" said its normal, as in BMW dealer?

SSJTrunks523 · 08-25-2016, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Helmsman

Sorry to hear bro. "They" said its normal, as in BMW dealer?

Yeah bit confused here. I've been in a car when a rod bearing went. Had been hearing what was thought to be an exhaust rattle only at start up for about a year (and could have been). When the noise started, which was continued to be believed to be the exhaust just finally having some major issue) <10 miles and kableewie. I couldn't see a motor going 40k on a damaged rod bearing. ~500 keeping it under 1500rpms in our cars? I suspect the noise "they" (bmw?) heard at 100k was not the same rod bearing issue that happened at 140k.

minim · 08-25-2016, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Green-Eggs

I've never used Plastigage -- always used bore gauges. For me, Plastigage is more about making sure you're in the ball park than measuring for accuracy.

Isn't it normal to replace the bearings with the rods installed? How do you use a bore gauge with the crank installed?

Doc Oc · 08-25-2016, 04:37 PM

Not a chance in the world an engine would go 40k miles with a rod bearing loose enough to make noise.

swamp2 · 08-28-2016, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Obioban

Let's pessimistically assume that 2% of s65s get nuked due to rod bearing failure, at $20,000 a pop. That means BMW is spending $400 per car, on average, on rod bearing repairs.

Rod bearing labor/parts for a recall would cost them at least $1000 per car, more likely ~$1500. Not to mention upsetting people that they have to bring their car in for another recall (the overwhelming majority of which have no idea that their rod bearings could be taking out their engine, and are just happy sheep currently), and go through another break in period. And some of the jobs will be done incorrectly, as BMW dealership techs are horrible incompetent, which would probably mean they'd have to replace 2% of the engines due to failure due to ineptly done labor anyway.

Math pretty clearly states they shouldn't be doing a recall.

And that's all based on a 2% failure rate, which is likely way too high for the warranty period of the car.

A very reasonable analysis right along the lines of the Fight Club movie recall analysis... Even if only 50% of folks actually did their recalls, with these numbers (used $1500 not $1000), and a production volume of 57.6k vehicles, BMW would still be paying well less than half (saving right about $20M USD) by NOT doing a recall. Simple math, business 101.

On a loosely related note, any summary of the class actions? Too lazy to read those various threads.

deansbimmer · 08-29-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by minim

How do you use a bore gauge with the crank installed?

You don't. That's why plastigauge exists. It will tell you if your clearances are in the ballpark and identify journal consistencies. The only way to get precise measurements is with a bore gauge which will require crank removal. Not cost effective and arguably unnecessary for an engine having their bearings replaced as a preventative measure. Its a different story if you're building an engine from scratch- it's part of the blueprinting process.

houston · 09-17-2016, 05:06 PM

Really hoping not to add my name here.
2011.75 DCT sedan
Just 17,003 miles
Died when pulling off into a turn lane to make a u turn. Car is not tracked, hardly driven (only 4500 miles since march 2015 when I acquired it)
No error car won't even attempt to turn over.
More updates as I hear back.
Dealer serviced until warranty ended. One trip to the dealer since. Oil meter was in the middle.

///M Power-Belgium · 09-17-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Really hoping not to add my name here.
2011.75 DCT sedan
Just 17,003 miles
Died when pulling off into a turn lane to make a u turn. Car is not tracked, hardly driven (only 4500 miles since march 2015 when I acquired it)
No error car won't even attempt to turn over.
More updates as I hear back.
Dealer serviced until warranty ended. One trip to the dealer since. Oil meter was in the middle.

You heard kinda rattle noises on your S65 before it died ?

houston · 09-17-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You heard kinda rattle noises on your S65 before it died ?

Nothing I can recall... Honestly I wasn't listening for anything since the car was such low miles and later model. Perhaps it won't be bearings. Hopefully

///M Power-Belgium · 09-17-2016, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Nothing I can recall... Honestly I wasn't listening for anything since the car was such low miles and later model. Perhaps it won't be bearings. Hopefully

I see...Yeah let us hope it's not the bearings .
Please keep us posted about your situation ...

deansbimmer · 09-17-2016, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Really hoping not to add my name here.
2011.75 DCT sedan
Just 17,003 miles
Died when pulling off into a turn lane to make a u turn. Car is not tracked, hardly driven (only 4500 miles since march 2015 when I acquired it)
No error car won't even attempt to turn over.
More updates as I hear back.
Dealer serviced until warranty ended. One trip to the dealer since. Oil meter was in the middle.

Wow Houston, that is crazy to hear. Would be curious to hear what is determined. Assuming the Dealer will take care of most of the cost.

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jrlee53 Captain 157 Rep 837 Posts Drives: 2010 E90 M3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Queens, NY iTrader: (0)	Just got mine replaced 2 weeks ago with BE Bearings @ 65k. Changed oil every 4-5k miles. I do track the car several times a year, but everything was OEM before the swap. Didn't notice any strange knocking or any other weird noises from the motor. Glad I decided to change them. Only found out about the rod bearing issue 2 months ago (was hiding under a rock). __________________ 2003 Cobra -> 2010 BMW e90 M3 - Space Grey - Black on Carbon Leather Int. - BRILLIANT CAR!!
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houston Private 45 Rep 87 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Really hoping not to add my name here. 2011.75 DCT sedan Just 17,003 miles Died when pulling off into a turn lane to make a u turn. Car is not tracked, hardly driven (only 4500 miles since march 2015 when I acquired it) No error car won't even attempt to turn over. More updates as I hear back. Dealer serviced until warranty ended. One trip to the dealer since. Oil meter was in the middle.
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