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Hi all, as many have read in my other posts, the dealer replaced my transmission at ~62k miles (I can check on the exact mileage later) as it was diagnosed with bad syncros.
Having read and experienced how "annoying" it is to shift from 1->2 and 2->3, I thought a fresh MT was going to fix the problem...WRONG! While shifting was improved, the 1st gear hard engagement was still there, having to basically find my way into 1st gear gate and then babying the shift to second, and notchiness in third. I was annoyed at this point and thought I needed to break in the tranny. OK, so I did and while things loosened up a bit, it was still a PITA to shift. I was seriously starting to question my choice in MT vs DCT After reading that other members have also had their tranny replaced at around the same mileage as mine, it got me thinking that perhaps the OEM oil and BMW's "extended" maintenance was just not up tp par to what this tranny needs. This was also "confirmed" in my mind by an article i read, written by Mike Miller on Redline oils, where he states back in the day, BMW trannys had a life span of 60k (which coincidentally is when mine was replaced) while using OEM oils. After switching to Redline MTL, these problems started to go away and as Mike Miller now calls Redline MTL "mother's milk for manual gearboxes", i made the switch and replaced the OEM oil (with 800 miles) to Redline MTL. I was able to flush all the oil and put exactly 2.5 qts back in the transmission. IMPRESSIONS: This morning was the first time I was able to test out the new oil and let me tell you...Mike was right Fisrt gear engagement is now crisp and direct. I dont have to find my way into the gate and it just goes in (TWSS). 1st to 2nd is GREATLY improved, no more hesitation! Third gear notchiness is gone and while before I had a hard time going into third (slight hesitation from the transmission to accept third), now it feels like the tranny is pulling third in, instead of me forcing in the gear, hard to explain but if you ever experienced this, you know what i'm talking about. Cold shifting is also vastly improved and as soon as the oil is warmed up, shifting becomes a pleasure rather than a chore. Now some of you might object to this, as most are still within the warranty period. While I am one of those people (1 year left on CPO), I did not want to ruin yet another transmission, and retain OEM oil just to make it to CPO end. In closing, the diff is next on the list and while I have the oil, I hurt my back changing the tranny oil (twisted on the wrong side ). As soon as my back feels better, I will switch the diff oil to Redline. And guess what! Redline engine oil as soon as CPO is over. (insert jokes here). I hope this quick review serves as a catalyst for some other people hesitating in making this switch. DO IT, you will not regret it. Thank you for reading.
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Great to know. I guess I'm one of the few that has had no problem with the trans being notchy or anything like that. However, I did just change my OEM fluid just a couple of thousand miles ago and it felt just as good afterwards.
But I've used Redline in my other BMW's before and was happy with their product. Glad you were able to fix your problem though!
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For the E90/92 M3, Redline actually recommend D4 ATF, not MTL. MTL is thicker than what is needed so before it warms up, it is stiffer. D4 ATF is thinner and is the recommended fluid for 6MT.
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You are rolling the dice on anything but oem fluid for the diff. I ran the castrol syntrax and mobil 1 with ls additive and both made the diff chatter pretty bad within 500 miles. Went back to the oem fluid and it quit making noise in 50 miles.
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It isn't but MTL is thicker so before warming up, it is harder to shift. Redline recommends D4 ATF so I stick to that.
Read this article: http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=13 It says Mike Miller recommends MTL for older BMWs but newer cars should use D4 ATF. Quote:
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Manual transmission fluid however - there are only a few types that are used so it is fairly safe to find the aftermarket equivalent. Also, most OEM manual transmission fluid is not synthetic so if you want a better fluid, Redline has been my choice.
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I used Redline MTL in the manual transmission of my '02 325i sedan. Did the swap at ~50K miles and then again at ~100K.
My brother still has the car and this last year, at ~160K miles, 3rd gear dropped out. Second was there, fourth was there--third was just nonexistent. No grinding just no gear He ended up having to have a donor tranny put in at a cost of about $2300. Might be anecdotal. Might be just one of those things. However, ask me if I'm gonna be emptying out the OEM fluid on my E90 M3 for possible minor improvements under certain conditions…I don't think so. Definitely not worth the risk. Not for me! |
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I use redline 75w140 in my diff. Ran it for 30K, and then changed it again, and the second batch has been in there for about 3K. No problems at all.
Don't use MTL in the differential, completely wrong fluid to use. MTL is designed for a manual transaxel, hence the MTL name. The OEM fluid is 75w140, so you should try to get closer to that in weight. MTL is much closer to a 75w90 in weight. Last edited by drwankel; 11-13-2021 at 10:49 AM.. |
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Just make sure you get Red Line 75w140, not the 75w140NS. Bottles looks sooooo similar. As for the 6MT, I use Red Line D4-ATF and it has been great. Tried MTL and it worked too but was a little thick on cold mornings so I went back to D4-ATF after a shop topped my transmission up with OE fluid without asking me…
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You wanna know something funny, the original spec was 75w80 for E92 M3 6MT, but BMW recently changed MT fluid spec to 75W90. They probably thought it was the better choice for protection given the age of these vehicles.
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