In the hills / twisties: DSC on / MDM / or Off?

e-solo · 01-14-2014, 05:43 PM

LOL! Careless humans are such idiots! Don't join that club OP!

happos2 · 01-14-2014, 06:05 PM

Thread is going good. Need more videos!

MDM on. No idea if gravel, oil etc is on the road ahead so I leave DSC on, just somewhat limited.

bk_g80_m3 · 01-14-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grantmax

I beat you to it.

OP - What's the fastest 0-60 time you've clocked?

Never timed it.

bk_g80_m3 · 01-14-2014, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

I hope OP lives in NORTHERN cali not in socal.

Why is that?

pkimM3r · 01-14-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fjork_duf

Why is that?

So you don't crash into me while losing control in the opposite direction while experimenting in the canyons!

bk_g80_m3 · 01-14-2014, 07:46 PM

What I learned from the videos: Don't buy a used E46 M3 or an M6.

Also learn how to properly put a motorcycle in the back of a truck.

bk_g80_m3 · 01-14-2014, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

So you don't crash into me while losing control in the opposite direction while experimenting in the canyons!

Yeah I won't. Don't worry.

grantmax · 01-15-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

So you don't crash into me while losing control in the opposite direction while experimenting in the canyons!

I knew what you were saying and I lol-ed.

More unsafe M3 drifting videos incoming.

pkimM3r · 01-15-2014, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by grantmax

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

So you don't crash into me while losing control in the opposite direction while experimenting in the canyons!

I knew what you were saying and I lol-ed.

More unsafe M3 drifting videos incoming.

Lol

Craigy · 01-15-2014, 02:51 PM

I mean, we paid money for MDM, might as well take advantage of it.

However I don't think it's necessarily unsafe to drive with DSC off. I drive a Viper from time to time and it has zero driver aids. Should that car not be driven? Well actually don't answer that.

Also it's not good to always assume that MDM or DSC will magically pull you out of any hairy situation.

But the biggest issue: you have to disable DSC to engage S6. It's as if BMW is begging us to turn DSC off....

That said, I run with MDM on most of the time.

bk_g80_m3 · 01-15-2014, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Craigy

I mean, we paid money for MDM, might as well take advantage of it.

However I don't think it's necessarily unsafe to drive with DSC off. I drive a Viper from time to time and it has zero driver aids. Should that car not be driven? Well actually don't answer that.

Also it's not good to always assume that MDM or DSC will magically pull you out of any hairy situation.

But the biggest issue: you have to disable DSC to engage S6. It's as if BMW is begging us to turn DSC off....

That said, I run with MDM on most of the time.

Well if I apply the logic of the other guys here, you must be a mass murdering psychopath.

Crimson92 · 01-15-2014, 06:12 PM

OP where do you live and which hilly road do you take? So I can avoid you as much as possible.

Leave DSC off/MDM for the track. It has no business on the street.

bk_g80_m3 · 01-15-2014, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson92

OP where do you live and which hilly road do you take? So I can avoid you as much as possible.

Leave DSC off/MDM for the track. It has no business on the street.

I live in your neighborhood, and I drive the same roads with DSC off. I also make sure I apply way too much throttle early in the turn so I get maximum sidewayz

bk_g80_m3 · 01-15-2014, 07:16 PM

So I think the original spirit of this post was not taken how I intended. It's probably due to the fact that I didn't choose my words properly.

What I really had meant is that it would make sense to take fun drives with DSC off to get a feel for how the car behaves without the nanny involved. Of course there is inherent risk on public roads, but I wouldn't be out there trying my best to wrap the car around a tree or run down bicyclists.

The main point was that there is not a really good way to learn how to control the car totally unless you try. It seems that I could run with DSC off, gradually learn how to control the car better. I would never try and go the same speed I can achieve with MDM on. That's not safe.

Also if it's as unsafe and verboten as everyone says here, then would you support a law that forces cars to have the nanny on? Or how about outlawing dodge vipers like the other poster talked about.

In fact it seems we should probably outlaw AWD cars too, since those guys tend to enter corners too fast and understeer across the double yellow lines. And let's not forget those "hot hatch" FWD cars that spin out while trail-braking. We should probably fix that as well.

I'm sure all of you drive beyond the speed limit in the hills on public roads otherwise you wouldn't have bought an M3. I see that as being every bit as dangerous as turning the DSC off.

Because let's be honest is it really more dangerous to drive at 40mph with DSC off, than it is to do like 80mph on some blind corner up in the mountains? Which I am 100% all you naysayers can't say you haven't done.

I wont' be driving with the DSC off any time soon, it was just meant as a friendly discussion on the topic.

MKE_M3 · 01-15-2014, 07:25 PM

Easy, use MDM unless the throttle is getting interrupted frequently, then slow down and turn it all off and build your speed slowly as you build your confidence. If you feel uncomfortable at slower speeds with it off, you are probably not ready to drive nanny free.

I personally feel MDM is far too conservative, interrupting way too much. I still use it on the track sometimes, but more as a safety net, since speeds are so much higher (my home track is Road America where 140+ mph is achieved on three separate straights).

bk_g80_m3 · 01-15-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MKE_M3

Easy, use MDM unless the throttle is getting interrupted frequently, then slow down and turn it all off and build your speed slowly as you build your confidence. If you feel uncomfortable at slower speeds with it off, you are probably not ready to drive nanny free.

I personally feel MDM is far too conservative, interrupting way too much. I still use it on the track sometimes, but more as a safety net, since speeds are so much higher (my home track is Road America where 140+ mph is achieved on three separate straights).

NOW this is an answer. Thanks MKE_M3.

InterJon · 01-15-2014, 07:29 PM

Schedule a track day or two. After that, you'll have no interest in spirited drives on public roads.

bk_g80_m3 · 01-15-2014, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by InterJon

Schedule a track day or two. After that, you'll have no interest in spirited drives on public roads.

Yes track days help. Just to ask: you never have spirited drives on public roads?

Hedonist · 01-15-2014, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by grantmax

V-TEC just kicked in yoooooooo!

This guy could have saved it if he didn't hit the breaks...

you see even experienced drivers make mistakes.

My say is keep DSC ON for street driving + take racing driving school.

I had an incident with MDM coming off highway.

Had my winters on, brand new tires...
They were more narrow than stock 235 front and 245 rear.
to make things worse it happened to be +14 C(57F) at the beginning of December

I was rushing to work as always and didn't realize it was that warm.
(For people from outside of GTA I will just say it is normal to have 10C (18F) degrees variance within the same day.)
Anyway as I was driving on a highway i pushed my "M" button that had all the sport settings including MDM....
When I was taking the 90" turn at the end of the ramp all i could feel was my back coming forward...
Driving with DSC most of the time ON, you get spoiled knowing that everything is under control no matter what stupidity you may try.
Thank god I was taking the turn earlier than usual predicting that I may get a little over-steer however I didn't expect it to be that much...
Long story short I was able to catch it throwing it left and right few times but it was pretty scary moment.
I am sure many people can relate to this story under different circumstances of course.

Drive safe guys.

radiantm3 · 01-16-2014, 12:40 AM

Without practice, correcting the car before a spin is not the easiest thing to do. I've gone sideways dozens of times on the race track and have yet to spin (I drive with DSC off at the track). But on the street I always leave MDM on because it doesn't interfere even on spirited drives in the mountains. So many variables at play on the street and most of them are out of your control. If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't turn it off.

AshyLarryMP · 01-16-2014, 07:44 AM

If you have to ask then it's definitely not a good idea.

If you screw up there your car is totaled. Find a safer area where if you mess up you will probably just do some minor damage.

M3 Esq · 01-16-2014, 07:51 AM

It doesn't make any sense to turn it off. If you want to find the cars limits, like others have said, do it in a controlled environment.

It's not like there is any twisties cup you are competing for. If you screw up, the nannies might help save the car, you, and others around you. I'm not trying to preach, but come on man.

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happos2 Dingleberries 76 Rep 1,246 Posts Drives: Gray E92 M3 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Indiana iTrader: (3)	Thread is going good. Need more videos! MDM on. No idea if gravel, oil etc is on the road ahead so I leave DSC on, just somewhat limited.
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01-15-2014, 02:51 PM	#32
Craigy Sporty Puristic 6 46 Rep 384 Posts Drives: '09 M3 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Louisiana iTrader: (0)	I mean, we paid money for MDM, might as well take advantage of it. However I don't think it's necessarily unsafe to drive with DSC off. I drive a Viper from time to time and it has zero driver aids. Should that car not be driven? Well actually don't answer that. Also it's not good to always assume that MDM or DSC will magically pull you out of any hairy situation. But the biggest issue: you have to disable DSC to engage S6. It's as if BMW is begging us to turn DSC off.... That said, I run with MDM on most of the time.
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01-15-2014, 07:16 PM	#36
bk_g80_m3 Second Lieutenant 191 Rep 285 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California iTrader: (0)	So I think the original spirit of this post was not taken how I intended. It's probably due to the fact that I didn't choose my words properly. What I really had meant is that it would make sense to take fun drives with DSC off to get a feel for how the car behaves without the nanny involved. Of course there is inherent risk on public roads, but I wouldn't be out there trying my best to wrap the car around a tree or run down bicyclists. The main point was that there is not a really good way to learn how to control the car totally unless you try. It seems that I could run with DSC off, gradually learn how to control the car better. I would never try and go the same speed I can achieve with MDM on. That's not safe. Also if it's as unsafe and verboten as everyone says here, then would you support a law that forces cars to have the nanny on? Or how about outlawing dodge vipers like the other poster talked about. In fact it seems we should probably outlaw AWD cars too, since those guys tend to enter corners too fast and understeer across the double yellow lines. And let's not forget those "hot hatch" FWD cars that spin out while trail-braking. We should probably fix that as well. I'm sure all of you drive beyond the speed limit in the hills on public roads otherwise you wouldn't have bought an M3. I see that as being every bit as dangerous as turning the DSC off. Because let's be honest is it really more dangerous to drive at 40mph with DSC off, than it is to do like 80mph on some blind corner up in the mountains? Which I am 100% all you naysayers can't say you haven't done. I wont' be driving with the DSC off any time soon, it was just meant as a friendly discussion on the topic.
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01-15-2014, 07:25 PM	#37
MKE_M3 Lieutenant Colonel 65 Rep 1,705 Posts Drives: 2011 e90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI iTrader: (0)	Easy, use MDM unless the throttle is getting interrupted frequently, then slow down and turn it all off and build your speed slowly as you build your confidence. If you feel uncomfortable at slower speeds with it off, you are probably not ready to drive nanny free. I personally feel MDM is far too conservative, interrupting way too much. I still use it on the track sometimes, but more as a safety net, since speeds are so much higher (my home track is Road America where 140+ mph is achieved on three separate straights). __________________
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InterJon Second Lieutenant 10 Rep 201 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 M3 ZCP Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Alabama iTrader: (0)	Schedule a track day or two. After that, you'll have no interest in spirited drives on public roads.
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AshyLarryMP Lieutenant 22 Rep 422 Posts Drives: 2011 MW E92 ZCP DCT Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	If you have to ask then it's definitely not a good idea. If you screw up there your car is totaled. Find a safer area where if you mess up you will probably just do some minor damage.
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M3 Esq Automobilist 395 Rep 2,632 Posts Drives: E70 X5, 911 GT3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (12)	It doesn't make any sense to turn it off. If you want to find the cars limits, like others have said, do it in a controlled environment. It's not like there is any twisties cup you are competing for. If you screw up, the nannies might help save the car, you, and others around you. I'm not trying to preach, but come on man.
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