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10-07-2010, 08:47 AM | #68 |
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Ok. This is the core of our conversation. This is the only thing I have talked about in this whole exchange, except for my curiosity about trolling. A little background. I have a degree in chemical engineering, and I have worked for 15 years in heavy industrial environments (refineries, power plants, etc), which means I know a little something about pumps and motors. This statement ABSOLUTELY 100% PROVES to me that you don't.
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10-07-2010, 09:41 AM | #69 |
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Only a troll looking for trouble couldn't see this was a joke.
Of course, all the other trolls have to join in with the "fanboi" remarks. I've actually owned more Porsche's than BMW's, and quite a few other brands as well. If I was still driving a Porsche I wouldn't be hanging around an M3 forum waving my dick around. And seriously, why would an S4 owner hang out on an M3 site trying to compare cars? And then to go on to call M3 owners fanbois? You don't see us on Audi sites bashing Audi and insulting Audi owners. Enjoy your S4's. |
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joe, did you have your dct lack issue resolved?
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You are wrong, and apparently no amount of intelligent informed dialogue will convince you otherwise. He did explain how you were wrong, but you just don't get it. Go ahead. Continue to dig that hole deeper and deeper.
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For what it's worth, I don't plan on modding my M3... It's plenty fast right out of the box. I think you summed it up well... Some people just don't get it.
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10-07-2010, 07:00 PM | #73 | |
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Ok lets picture me on a stationary bike at the Gym... Now lets say I get the bike up to 40 KMPH with the tensioner set at zero... I can run this speed pretty long because there is no tension/resistance. Now picture me maintaining this speed but increasing the tension ... To spin it at the same 40 KMPH I am now pulling a sweat because now I have tension that is causing resistance and I can not maintain it long(or load for the car). I may be completely off but it does make sense... LOL
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We should start a thread on if whether blondes, redheads or brunettes are better. It's just as hard to draw a conclusion, and we'd still have the senseless debate, but at least we would get a few nice pics out of such a thread. This thread is useless, except as comic relief.
p.s.: there's a bizzare debate in the thread that tunes don't stress engines?! If you believe the Audi engineers left [50] hp on the table with no side effects...
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10-07-2010, 08:28 PM | #76 | |
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Proof is the C63 detuned engine. Don't forget that Audi has a NA RS5. Do you think they would want their S4 to outperform their RS5? I have friends with over 100,000 kms on their tuned 335's with no ill effects other than the dreaded HPFP failure. Yes I can agree there is more stress with more boost but they are made to take a lot more than what they are putting out. Whats funny (I do track) is that so many M3 owners don't ever track their cars or don't on a regular basis so to say the S4 or a 335 is not a comparison on spirited street driving is just being a fanboy.
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10-08-2010, 02:09 AM | #77 |
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These S4 owners won't leave our forum, will they?
Must be very boring on the lesser brand forums for them M3 is the top dog in its class, as it's proved by countless comparo tests Don't sweat it , lesser brands fanboys
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Tard of the day.
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10-08-2010, 08:38 AM | #79 |
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This would be why BMW owners get a bad wrap....
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10-08-2010, 07:03 PM | #80 |
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Ummmm can you read?? I own the S4 AND the E92 M3. Stop being such a fanboy and come up with better remarks please.
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Sheesh, some of you guys are something else.
I currently own an Audi b5 s4 with over 120k miles. Its been stage 2 since 70k and I've had no issues with my tune. I love the car, but would consider any good car by any make that ticks the right buttons as its replacement. Both the m3 and s4 are great cars with different benefits and drawbacks. Many people are cross shopping the two (like myself) in addition to other cars, which might not directly compare (I'm also looking at a Cayman S). The reason some Audi owners are over here is because we are enthusiasts that are interested in cars in general. I'm on many forums: Audizine, 6speed, Planet-9, mbworld, and I joined here because I am considering an e92 m3. I won't speak for all Audi owners, but the reason there is interest in a tuned b8 vs m3 race/thread is because the m3 is a proven benchmark in many performance aspects and the b8 platform is showing a lot of potential. Does a tuned s4 beating a m3 in a drag race mean the s4 is king and the m3 sucks? Of course not. But its safe to say we're all excited and curious to find out how things stack up! Trolling is when you start a thread to show off your new ride/mod and I come in and say, "thats ugly, BMWs suck, (insert car here) rules!" You are not trolling when you are in the designated M3 vs... category, discussing how one car matches up to another. There are virtues to be had for both cars, in each individual's mind, better is subjective. Not everyone is taking their car to the track (where I'd reach for the m3's keys). You hate to let a few bad apples spoil the bunch, but its the elitist fanboy view some of you guys have that, sadly makes me want to steer clear of a great car. A healthy community is important to enthusiasts. Another b5 s4 owner once saw me with a flat tire, pulled over, and gave me (a complete stranger) his full size spare with no strings attached so i could get home! We are good friends still to this day. There are a lot of smart, good-hearted enthusiasts on this forum...its a shame they get grouped in and lost by the stereotype some of you create. |
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Oh well. Not much we can do about the juvenile fanboys.
I've been on the Audi boards and a couple of M3 boards for about 5 years. The Audi boards are typically more civil and I find the Audi folks seem to have a much better sense of humor. I'm still on the M3 boards because that's what I'm driving, but the fanboys are really annoying. What's even more annoying is that most of them don't even drive an M3. Then there are the dorks that do drive M3s but think they're some sort of status symbol. If you equate your self worth to what you drive, you may be a candidate for therapy. I never try to convince others that my car is better. I always strive to emulate my hero.
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A new S4 is $15k less than a new M3, both cars "loaded"?
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Anyway, I had a chance to run with some new tuned S4's at a track during an Audi Club even, and there is no comparison on the track. Despite being close to equal on straights, they could not hold on in corners as well, and seemed to get noticeably slower closer to the end of session (probably heatsoak or tire overheating). The difference was big enough for a noticeably more experienced driver to be slower in S4. Having said that, I'd probably take S4 over M3, if I had another car for track. Well, in that case I'd actually take Audi Allroad over any of those, but Audi was "smart" enough to discontinue it. Not sure if I really have a point here - probably what I'm trying to say, which car is better is very much defined by personal criteria and intended use. Abstract debates have no right answer. |
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S4 is a great car but totally different to the M3 - they are not competitors here in Germany at all, price or performance wise.
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