BREAKING NEWS: Virginia Tech shooting. 20 dead

[s4iscool]

Originally Posted by Raider

Okay, perhaps i misunderstand your initial post...that seems to be the case...

i understand what you are trying to say, if someone had been armed in class then the shooter might've been brought to justice earlier...

but, let's take into account that not all of us have hawkeye vision, and in a state of chaos such as shootings in a classroom, can you maintain your cool and focus on the gunman while your class mates are running around in panic? it might even urge the gunman to go buckwild and spray his oozie and you could end up getting killed, or you could even cause friendly fire to your class mates as well...

Right, I understand, there are infinite variables, and that is why I said this hypothetical hero would have to be brave, and as you put it, skilled/trained under pressure. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...in this case, we dont have all the answers and never will know. RIP to all.

[s4iscool]

Originally Posted by Raider

WTF was the dude carrying?

32 dead and like 20 or more are wounded...

i think i read two 9mm with a vest full of clips...but at this point im sure this will all change...

[wahoo]

Originally Posted by Viral

this is the most IGNORANT comment I've probably ever heard (and I've heard LOTS of them).

You're worried about what brand of car the shooter owns at a time like this??? You ignorant fuck.........YOU (not the shooter) give BMW owners a bad name asshole

My condolences go out to those who lost their loved ones......

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[markis64]

a 9mm and a .22 both hand guns... thats just crazy considering the amount of shots he was able to get off and reloading and everything i would have guessed it was a semi auto or fully auto machine gun

[s4iscool]

im not too familiar with guns, but are there any readily available 9mm's that are fully automatic? Guns of this caliber are basic police issue handguns...

Also, back to the point that there was a 2 hour period between the initial shootings...sigh, this lack of "action" is so common in these rampages...wtf was going on with the Univ and Police "decision makers".

[spydrz]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

im not too familiar with guns, but are there any readily available 9mm's that are fully automatic? Guns of this caliber are basic police issue handguns...

Also, back to the point that there was a 2 hour period between the initial shootings...sigh, this lack of "action" is so common in these rampages...wtf was going on with the Univ and Police "decision makers".

They're discussing the two-hour period now in a news conference...sounds like they didn't have enough info to make good decisions...too bad they didn't shut down the campus then

[Raider]

Would would shutting down campus do?

Unless you lock all the doors and lock the students inside, the gunman would still have his way with the victims that are walking around....

[spydrz]

Originally Posted by Raider

Would would shutting down campus do?

Unless you lock all the doors and lock the students inside, the gunman would still have his way with the victims that are walking around....

If they'd closed at 7:45am, the kids shot at 10am wouldn't have been in those classrooms.

[markis64]

if an email was sent out to students saying DONT COME TO CAMPUS THERE IS A SHOOTER ON THE LOOSE back at 715 when the first shot was confirmed maybe some of the 20+ thousand students would have not been there, or could have left

[ehhhwik]

yes, FBI and ATF confirmed that it was a young asian male carrying 2 hand guns that committed the shootings

[s4iscool]

Originally Posted by spydrz

If they'd closed at 7:45am, the kids shot at 10am wouldn't have been in those classrooms.

Right, I dont see why its so hard to not undersatnd this.

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

Umm...you don't allow guns for law abiding citizens. The criminals don't give a toss. Here, 10 seconds of googling:

Gun crime soars by 35% (From 2003)

Gun crime has risen by 35% in a year, new Home Office figures show.
There were 9,974 incidents involving firearms in the 12 months to April 2002 - a rise from 7,362 over the previous year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2640817.stm

In America - anyone can get a gun license (correct me if wrong - I don't need informing that mentally deficients can't!). In UK - you can't. Was the guy who did this a criminal before he perpetuated this act??? If I was to go "postal" I wouldn't have any means of obtaining a gun. Gun crime is up - well pointed out. It still pales into insignificance when compared to US. My point stands.

[spydrz]

Originally Posted by 1stnewcar

In America - anyone can get a gun license (correct me if wrong - I don't need informing that mentally deficients can't!). In UK - you can't. Was the guy who did this a criminal before he perpetuated this act??? If I was to go "postal" I wouldn't have any means of obtaining a gun. Gun crime is up - well pointed out. It still pales into insignificance when compared to US. My point stands.

You don't need a license; you just have to pass a background check in this state. Now, a concealed carry permit is different. That requires more knowledge and training.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

Right, I dont see why its so hard to not undersatnd this.

the school is huge, 26,000+ students...

even if you shut down the classes, there would still be students walking around, and it's not like when they shut down the school, they barricade themselves in...


if the gunman wanted to kill innocent people, he will find his way, shutting down the school won't help much...

there's just too many students that attend that school

[ehhhwik]

Originally Posted by spydrz

You don't need a license; you just have to pass a background check in this state. Now, a concealed carry permit is different. That requires more knowledge and training.

so does that mean any person can just go to a gun shop and purchase a gun, what is considered as a "background check"??

[spydrz]

Originally Posted by ehhhwik

so does that mean any person can just go to a gun shop and purchase a gun, what is considered as a "background check"??

They run your information through an FBI computer to check for felonies, etc. It's done at the gun store.

[s4iscool]

At least the an individual student would be able to make a better informed decision to go or not.

[s4iscool]

Originally Posted by spydrz

They run your information through an FBI computer to check for felonies, etc. It's done at the gun store.

And you need to be a citizen. Believe it or not, the US gun laws are quite good...in theory...its the enforcement of them and small loop holes and most importantly/unfortunately the people that break the law that can still get their hands on one.

[spydrz]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

And you need to be a citizen. Believe it or not, the US gun laws are quite good...in theory...its the enforcement of them and small loop holes and most importantly/unfortunately the people that break the law that can still get their hands on one.

Exactly, criminals will always be able to find guns somewhere...

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by spydrz

Exactly, criminals will always be able to find guns somewhere...

Agree - I get the impression he wasn't a criminal till he murdered all those innocents. This wouldn't have happened if there wasn't such "easy" access to firearms. Lets say I was an American citizen. Lived there all my life with no breaking of the law. I go buy a gun - because I can. Weeks/months/50 years later I find my wife of 800 years cheats on me. I get mad. Now, in the UK I don't have a gun in my sock drawer. This is the point I'm making.

[Dleo]

i would say, like in the case of most school shootings the gun was not purchased by the shooter but taken from a family member without knowledge.

which all comes back to gun control, because tho if you are head of the family (father, guardian,uncle) you might be able to control your weapons and use them for recreational purposes (hunting,target shooting,etc..) it doesnt mean other people in your household, especially young children and even teenagers have the same mindset and mentallity you have twords those weapons.

i personally do not understand the need to have guns in your house, it will never lead to anything good, whether or not there are children and teenagers living in the same house.

[ehhhwik]

Originally Posted by 1stnewcar

Agree - I get the impression he wasn't a criminal till he murdered all those innocents. This wouldn't have happened if there wasn't such "easy" access to firearms. Lets say I was an American citizen. Lived there all my life with no breaking of the law. I go buy a gun - because I can. Weeks/months/50 years later I find my wife of 800 years cheats on me. I get mad. Now, in the UK I don't have a gun in my sock drawer. This is the point I'm making.

In Canada, we have some what similar gun laws, but all guns can only be purchased if you have a gun license, there are also 2 types of gun licenses: one is for rifles (not automatic) and the other are for concealable weapons like handguns, and these licenses can only be obtained through courses and certification by the federal gov't (not provincial)

fyi, in Canada, automatic weapons (M-16, M-4, AK 47s) are illegal for purchase and is almost impossible to obtain, only semi-auto or single shot rifles can be purchased at stores

my point is, in Canada, our gun laws aren't that strict either when you think about it, but how come these horrific public shootings only occur in the US, and the other questions is, why at schools?? aren't schools a place of peace and learning??